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#4759059 - 05/16/18 06:21 PM UHP All-Season Tires...
wally21 Offline


Registered: 12/01/12
Posts: 44
Loc: Pennsylvania
Backstory -- I just took a 300+ mile trip during which: a) I ran over a 2x4 on the highway that a flat-bed tractor-trailer left for me, which bent at least one rim, b) I had to drive in heavy rain, which left me hydroplaning all over the place. My car is a 2005 Saab 9-5 Aero Wagon. I have two Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3+ tires on the front and two Conti DWS06 tires on the back. The Michelin tires are about 2 years old with a good amount of tread left, and the Continental tires are about 4 or so years old with an ok amount of tread but are starting to crack a bit. (Yes, I cheaped out and only replaced 2 tires previously...I will not do it again, I promise).

I'm thinking that it's time to replace all my tires, and I'm not sure which ones to choose. My thinking has been that I should have a good all-season tire since I want good dry and wet performance and acceptable snow performance (When it snows, I can generally choose not to drive. If I get caught in it, I'll make do.). The hydroplaning has me a lot more concerned with wet-weather performance.

The tires that I've been considering are:
Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3+
Pirelli P Zero All Season Plus
Pirelli P7 Cinturato All Season Plus
Bridgestone Potenza RD 980 AS

Any thoughts?
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#4759064 - 05/16/18 06:25 PM Re: UHP All-Season Tires... [Re: wally21]
SatinSilver Offline


Registered: 01/24/08
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Originally Posted By: wally21
The tires that I've been considering are:
Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3+
Pirelli P Zero All Season Plus
Pirelli P7 Cinturato All Season Plus
Bridgestone Potenza RD 980 AS


https://tirereviewsandmore.com/best-saab-9-5-tires/
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#4759074 - 05/16/18 06:34 PM Re: UHP All-Season Tires... [Re: wally21]
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Registered: 10/07/12
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If your not running dedicated snows, your on the wrong tire for your state

What's the size?

Your looking for a Grand Touring all season for heavy rain grip

If you like the Pilot Sports, consider Premier A/S
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#4759075 - 05/16/18 06:34 PM Re: UHP All-Season Tires... [Re: SatinSilver]
wally21 Offline


Registered: 12/01/12
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Originally Posted By: SatinSilver
Originally Posted By: wally21
The tires that I've been considering are:
Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3+
Pirelli P Zero All Season Plus
Pirelli P7 Cinturato All Season Plus
Bridgestone Potenza RD 980 AS


https://tirereviewsandmore.com/best-saab-9-5-tires/


OK. Why? All of the tires I listed except the Bridgestone are on that list. It does seem like the P7 is a favorite on this forum right now for some reason.
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#4759078 - 05/16/18 06:36 PM Re: UHP All-Season Tires... [Re: wally21]
skyactiv Offline


Registered: 03/02/13
Posts: 4272
Loc: The Midwest
I had the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3's on my GTI and didn't care for them much.
Overrated, period.
The + version might be better?

I have 4 Continental SureContact RX's on my GTI and they are the best UHP all-season tires I've had. They aren't known for
being superb in class in the snow like the Conti DWS06's are. But they grip excellent in the rain and perform great cold or hot.
Every other all-season I've had gave up traction in hot summer weather except for the Conti's on my car and the Generals
Gmax AS-05 on my wifes Audi. Those Generals are made in Portugal by Continental. They have a tad more road noise than my tires but are better otherwise.

I'm done assuming Michelin and top tier high dollar tires are always better.
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#4759079 - 05/16/18 06:37 PM Re: UHP All-Season Tires... [Re: michaelluscher]
wally21 Offline


Registered: 12/01/12
Posts: 44
Loc: Pennsylvania
Originally Posted By: michaelluscher
If your not running dedicated snows, your on the wrong tire for your state

What's the size?

Your looking for a Grand Touring all season for heavy rain grip

If you like the Pilot Sports, consider Premier A/S


Well, like I said, I can generally choose not to drive in the snow. So, I should go more for the grand touring tires like the P7 or the premier a/s for better wet traction?

Edit: Size is 225 45 17


Edited by wally21 (05/16/18 06:44 PM)
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#4759134 - 05/16/18 07:28 PM Re: UHP All-Season Tires... [Re: wally21]
dgunay Offline


Registered: 12/05/14
Posts: 586
Loc: Toronto
I'd recommend Cooper Zeon RS3-A or RS3-G1 for dry and wet performance. I've put about 10k miles on the RS3-A and they are excellent tire for the money. AFAIK, G1 is the revised version which offers more tread-life warranty.

I previously used Pilot Super Sport and I'd easily say if you don't go to track, you won't feel a difference. If you are okay with mid-tier brand, definitely way to go.


Edited by dgunay (05/16/18 07:29 PM)
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#4759142 - 05/16/18 07:37 PM Re: UHP All-Season Tires... [Re: wally21]
d00df00d Offline


Registered: 10/20/05
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Loc: PA
The only tires that'll be better in the wet than the ones you listed are SOME top-of-the-line summer tires, particularly the Michelin Pilot Sport 4S and Continental SportContact 6. The way those tires perform in the rain will bend your mind. But you seem to want to be able to drive the same tire year-round, so those are out.

If you want an all-season tire and your biggest priority is wet performance, you probably want the RE980AS.

When you hydroplaned, which axle let go? Front, back, or both? All tires inflated to spec, etc.? How fast were you going?
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#4759144 - 05/16/18 07:37 PM Re: UHP All-Season Tires... [Re: wally21]
slacktide_bitog Offline


Registered: 03/20/08
Posts: 5982
Loc: USA
If you're only going to use a single set of tires year-round, consider an all-season with the 3-peak sign, commonly called "all weather" tires. Examples are:
Vredestein Quatrac 5 (the first company to make such a tire)
Nokian WRG4 (the most popular of its type, you may be able to get a deal on clearance on the older WRG3)
Toyo Celsius
Goodyear Assurance WeatherReady
Michelin CrossClimate+

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#4759180 - 05/16/18 08:04 PM Re: UHP All-Season Tires... [Re: wally21]
d00df00d Offline


Registered: 10/20/05
Posts: 11146
Loc: PA
Originally Posted By: wally21
Originally Posted By: SatinSilver
Originally Posted By: wally21
The tires that I've been considering are:
Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3+
Pirelli P Zero All Season Plus
Pirelli P7 Cinturato All Season Plus
Bridgestone Potenza RD 980 AS


https://tirereviewsandmore.com/best-saab-9-5-tires/


OK. Why? All of the tires I listed except the Bridgestone are on that list. It does seem like the P7 is a favorite on this forum right now for some reason.

That page looks like it was generated automatically, with the main purpose of improving the site's search engine ranking. I'd give it no credence.
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#4759202 - 05/16/18 08:30 PM Re: UHP All-Season Tires... [Re: skyactiv]
d00df00d Offline


Registered: 10/20/05
Posts: 11146
Loc: PA
Originally Posted By: skyactiv
I had the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3's on my GTI and didn't care for them much.
Overrated, period.
The + version might be better?

I've read that the + has an updated compound, but the main purpose was to improve winter grip.


Originally Posted By: skyactiv
I'm done assuming Michelin and top tier high dollar tires are always better.

They aren't always. Not by a long shot. It's just that there are a few categories where they are consistently at or near the top, and one or two that they utterly dominate.

As a general rule, the more performance-oriented the tire type, the closer to the top Michelin is. There are a few exceptions, and a few categories where Michelin offers nothing, but that's the trend.

Their mainstream tires are good, but you can probably do better. Their performance all-seasons and performance winters are among the best, though personal preferences might drive you elsewhere. And for performance summer street tires, they have gone from leading that category to completely owning it; right now, there's very little reason to even consider any such tire next to the Pilot Sport 4S.
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#4759203 - 05/16/18 08:31 PM Re: UHP All-Season Tires... [Re: slacktide_bitog]
d00df00d Offline


Registered: 10/20/05
Posts: 11146
Loc: PA
Originally Posted By: slacktide_bitog
If you're only going to use a single set of tires year-round, consider an all-season with the 3-peak sign, commonly called "all weather" tires. Examples are:
Vredestein Quatrac 5 (the first company to make such a tire)
Nokian WRG4 (the most popular of its type, you may be able to get a deal on clearance on the older WRG3)
Toyo Celsius
Goodyear Assurance WeatherReady
Michelin CrossClimate+

Pretty sure the advantage of these tires is in deep snow, which OP said will be avoided. Don't think they're any better in the rain.
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#4759209 - 05/16/18 08:36 PM Re: UHP All-Season Tires... [Re: d00df00d]
SatinSilver Offline


Registered: 01/24/08
Posts: 9896
Loc: OH
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Pretty sure the advantage of these tires is in deep snow, which OP said will be avoided. Don't think they're any better in the rain.


Better traction in slick conditions. Which isn't just deep snow. The highest rated all season tires by consumers on Tire Rack are the Verestein Quatracs.
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#4759224 - 05/16/18 08:56 PM Re: UHP All-Season Tires... [Re: wally21]
madRiver Offline


Registered: 07/11/15
Posts: 3443
Loc: New England
I absolutely loved the Pirelli P7 Cinturato All Season Plus on my wife's old 2005 Subaru Legacy turbo wagon. Perfect tire.

No issues in snow either.

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#4759389 - 05/17/18 02:31 AM Re: UHP All-Season Tires... [Re: wally21]
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Posts: 3920
Loc: Manchester, England
Yokohama A539.
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