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Re: Neglected 1988 Escort valvetrain pics. [Re: FordCapriDriver] #4757483 05/14/18 11:25 PM
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I think our Spanish friend is being prudent. Gradually seems to be key- but I couldn't tell you why.

I got a 160,000 mile truck and changed a bunch of consumables and before you know it my radiator and water pump were losing water, my AC compressor began sqeaking (Chevy truck with its own seperate belt) reduced engine power messages, parking brake won't release, oil lines leaking.....

All this it seems from doing too much all at once and as was already stated- protesting from a new owner. And this is a 2003 so I bet an 88 really needs some pampering and just get driven easily while 'adjustments' are happening and maybe that harshness above 4000 rpms will fade away and restore itself with mild, quality maintenance.

Re: Neglected 1988 Escort valvetrain pics. [Re: nthach] #4757491 05/15/18 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted By: nthach
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Not at all, the Merkur Xr4ti was based on the European Ford Sierra.

And didn't that evolve into the Ford Mondeo, sold a short while in the US as a Contour/Mercury Mystique which ironically returned to America as the 2013-current Fusion?


The Mondeo was the replacement of the Sierra that came out in 1993, completely different car to the Sierra, the Mondeo was FWD and used the new Zetec engines while the Sierra was RWD and used the old OHC Pinto engines.


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Re: Neglected 1988 Escort valvetrain pics. [Re: mjoekingz28] #4757492 05/15/18 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted By: mjoekingz28
I think our Spanish friend is being prudent. Gradually seems to be key- but I couldn't tell you why.

I got a 160,000 mile truck and changed a bunch of consumables and before you know it my radiator and water pump were losing water, my AC compressor began sqeaking (Chevy truck with its own seperate belt) reduced engine power messages, parking brake won't release, oil lines leaking.....

All this it seems from doing too much all at once and as was already stated- protesting from a new owner. And this is a 2003 so I bet an 88 really needs some pampering and just get driven easily while 'adjustments' are happening and maybe that harshness above 4000 rpms will fade away and restore itself with mild, quality maintenance.

I understand, simply because it's had a lack of mechanical maintenance and i'm trying to just do the basic service items before the summer heat starts, i'm putting on a timing belt kit soon that includes a new water pump too, i don't want this thing to overheat.


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Re: Neglected 1988 Escort valvetrain pics. [Re: FordCapriDriver] #4764512 05/22/18 01:51 AM
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To be honest I owned a few Fords with this engine and worked on many more when I ran a Garage in the early (ish) 90's.

It is not the best but it is far from the worst.

I wouldn't flush it or anything.

Just use a decent oil and change it at shorter intervals

Thw Shell oil you mention seems a decent choice for this old CVH lump.

Course Vibratory and Harsh as we used to call them.

Haha i am well aware of the CVH's reputation, this is my second CVH, we used to have a Mk5 Escort 1.6 Ghia Estate with a carbed 1.6 CVH, it made it to 280.000 Km with no problems, we had it 10 years before it got broken up for spares and scrapped, in the end the engine burned some oil but ran ok, we just did normal servicing to it, the fuel economy was [censored] though, similar to my 3 litre MkII Capri.

This Xr3i has Bosch K-Jet Mfi and the fuel economy is a lot better, but still harsh when you get above 4000rpm, for sure, what does surprise me is that it doesn't seem to burn any oil at all, or smoke.



If you get bored with the current engine and gearbox some people do convert the Mk3 and Mk4 Escort to a Zetec engine with the later gearbox.

Have never done it but have been told that it makes a huge difference.

I never found the. cVH engines to be that noisy or rough.

When compared to modern stuff sure but they were fairly strong.
One of the places that does lots of stuff for Fast Fords still trades today in Essex.

Burton Power.

http://www.burtonpower.com/


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Re: Neglected 1988 Escort valvetrain pics. [Re: FordCapriDriver] #4764522 05/22/18 03:06 AM
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Wth where did this lady have her car serviced? Water in the radiator? Henry fords model T service shop?

Re: Neglected 1988 Escort valvetrain pics. [Re: Rand] #4764722 05/22/18 09:16 AM
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is that related at all the the one we had in the US?


Not really. I mean when compared to either my 1985 Escort GT or my 1995 Escort LX, the body looks different and stuff is in different places in the engine compartment. The valve cover looks somewhat like the one in my 1985 Escort. There were no convertibles for the US market.

Re: Neglected 1988 Escort valvetrain pics. [Re: bigjl] #4764732 05/22/18 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted By: bigjl
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Originally Posted By: bigjl
To be honest I owned a few Fords with this engine and worked on many more when I ran a Garage in the early (ish) 90's.

It is not the best but it is far from the worst.

I wouldn't flush it or anything.

Just use a decent oil and change it at shorter intervals

Thw Shell oil you mention seems a decent choice for this old CVH lump.

Course Vibratory and Harsh as we used to call them.

Haha i am well aware of the CVH's reputation, this is my second CVH, we used to have a Mk5 Escort 1.6 Ghia Estate with a carbed 1.6 CVH, it made it to 280.000 Km with no problems, we had it 10 years before it got broken up for spares and scrapped, in the end the engine burned some oil but ran ok, we just did normal servicing to it, the fuel economy was [censored] though, similar to my 3 litre MkII Capri.

This Xr3i has Bosch K-Jet Mfi and the fuel economy is a lot better, but still harsh when you get above 4000rpm, for sure, what does surprise me is that it doesn't seem to burn any oil at all, or smoke.



If you get bored with the current engine and gearbox some people do convert the Mk3 and Mk4 Escort to a Zetec engine with the later gearbox.

Have never done it but have been told that it makes a huge difference.

I never found the. cVH engines to be that noisy or rough.

When compared to modern stuff sure but they were fairly strong.
One of the places that does lots of stuff for Fast Fords still trades today in Essex.

Burton Power.

http://www.burtonpower.com/


I would never ever put a Zetec in it, the car is 100% original including the engine ofcourse.
I know about Burton Power, bought stuff from them for my Capri many times smile


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Re: Neglected 1988 Escort valvetrain pics. [Re: jj51702] #4764735 05/22/18 09:24 AM
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Wth where did this lady have her car serviced? Water in the radiator? Henry fords model T service shop?

Yeah, that was my thought.


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Re: Neglected 1988 Escort valvetrain pics. [Re: zzyzzx] #4764738 05/22/18 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted By: zzyzzx
Originally Posted By: Rand
is that related at all the the one we had in the US?


Not really. I mean when compared to either my 1985 Escort GT or my 1995 Escort LX, the body looks different and stuff is in different places in the engine compartment. The valve cover looks somewhat like the one in my 1985 Escort. There were no convertibles for the US market.

The valve cover looks the same because they used the same series of CVH engines.
One thing the US for sure did never get was the Mechanical Bosch K-Jetronic Injection this car has.


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Re: Neglected 1988 Escort valvetrain pics. [Re: FordCapriDriver] #4764815 05/22/18 10:57 AM
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That's a great car; Ford tends to sell dumbed-down versions of their Euro cars to the US- the current Focus ST?RS and Fiesta ST excluded.


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Re: Neglected 1988 Escort valvetrain pics. [Re: FordCapriDriver] #4764941 05/22/18 01:00 PM
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Nice find! Those pics aren't bad at all.

I test drove that engine when it was brand new, and to me it had a really good feel. I ended up with an '86, carbuerated, as we couldn't afford new at the time. One thing I noted about that engine - if I followed the shift light and kept the revs down, that car delivered fantastic mpg. Ours was a wagon. Record interstate mpg was for me, get this, 38 mpg. Of course, back then the speed limit was 55, but still.

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Re: Neglected 1988 Escort valvetrain pics. [Re: FordCapriDriver] #4764989 05/22/18 01:55 PM
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This Xr3i with 105 Hp and Bosch K-jet injection does about 30-35 Mpg, bearable since it runs on 95 RON just fine, prices have gone up a lot, i'm paying 6$ / Gallon for 95, and 6.7$ for 98 RON.

The other day it kind of overheated, got up to just below the red on the gauge, i got home fine with the heater on full blast and opened the expansion tank cap when i got home and it puked about 1-2 liters of coolant on the garage floor, it turns out the cables going to both terminals of the temperature sensor that controls the fan were corroded, all fixed now!


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my 86 ate fan control sensors/switches. Eventually, I put a big red pull-knob (beetle hazards switch) in the dash as a backup. When the bearings in the fan motor started to tire, I flipped the motor upside down and it kept on doing its thing!

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Re: Neglected 1988 Escort valvetrain pics. [Re: FordCapriDriver] #4766454 05/24/18 12:14 AM
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Haha i hope i don't have to resort to that.


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