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PQIA 5W-20: Havoline PDS, Lucas FS, Motul Specific #4756903
05/14/18 12:13 PM
05/14/18 12:13 PM
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Kendall, FL
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'18 Sportage LX AWD Pennzoil Platinum 5w20
'13 Santa Fe Sport 2.0T Castrol GTX Magnatec 5w30
Re: PQIA 5W-20: Havoline PDS, Lucas FS, Motul Specific [Re: wemay] #4756933
05/14/18 12:40 PM
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I always like a little boron in the add pack, notice the Motul's got it.



'09 Subaru Forester ...................(QS HM 5W30)
'16 Moto Guzzi Stelvio 1200 .....(ENI i-Ride PG 10W60)
Re: PQIA 5W-20: Havoline PDS, Lucas FS, Motul Specific [Re: wemay] #4756936
05/14/18 12:42 PM
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I am by no means a tribologist, and obviously can't make a definitive statement based solely off the numbers in those results.. but, based on what is provided..

The Motul is the clear winner of that bunch, IMHO.

The Havoline looks good, but not quite as robust as I expected.

The Lucas just looks like rebottled Valvoline WB, IMHO.


2010 Ford Fusion SE - 2.5 liter/6F35 Trans - 263,000mi
2014 Nissan Altima SL - 2.5 liter/CVT - 58,000mi
Re: PQIA 5W-20: Havoline PDS, Lucas FS, Motul Specific [Re: SirTanon] #4757195
05/14/18 06:08 PM
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You're a bigger man than me smile

"The Lucas just looks like rebottled Valvoline WB, IMHO..... "

I thought the same exact thing but refused to post it...


"If I walked on water, they'd say I couldn't swim."
Re: PQIA 5W-20: Havoline PDS, Lucas FS, Motul Specific [Re: wemay] #4757214
05/14/18 06:21 PM
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ROCHESTER, NY
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The Havoline ProDS looks better in the PQIA's 2013 testing than in this 2018 testing.


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'80 Firebird FORMULA V8/4bbl-purchased "NEW"
'15 Nissan Altima 2.5 SV
'15 Honda Civic LX
Re: PQIA 5W-20: Havoline PDS, Lucas FS, Motul Specific [Re: wemay] #4757219
05/14/18 06:26 PM
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Havoline ProDS doesn't look any more impressive than their regular stuff. Weird.


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Re: PQIA 5W-20: Havoline PDS, Lucas FS, Motul Specific [Re: SirTanon] #4757242
05/14/18 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted By: SirTanon
The Motul is the clear winner of that bunch, IMHO.

If it is, and even if it isn't, I'm sure it'll be priced well above the others. wink


Plain, simple Garak.

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1984 F-150 4.9L - Quaker State GB 10w-30, Wix 51515
Re: PQIA 5W-20: Havoline PDS, Lucas FS, Motul Specific [Re: Char Baby] #4757416
05/14/18 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted By: Char Baby
The Havoline ProDS looks better in the PQIA's 2013 testing than in this 2018 testing.


The bottle they used is Dexos 1 and online at Chevronlubricants it's Dexos1 Gen 2 and even the pds is D1G2 but is dated June 15 2018. I'm sure the formula changed between Dexos 1 and D1G2. Maybe the new one is not in stores yet.


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Kendall GT-1 Max with Liquid Titanium 5W-30
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Re: PQIA 5W-20: Havoline PDS, Lucas FS, Motul Specific [Re: wemay] #4757504
05/15/18 02:05 AM
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ROCHESTER, NY
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Last edited by Char Baby; 05/15/18 02:11 AM.

"Retired"
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'80 Firebird FORMULA V8/4bbl-purchased "NEW"
'15 Nissan Altima 2.5 SV
'15 Honda Civic LX
Re: PQIA 5W-20: Havoline PDS, Lucas FS, Motul Specific [Re: Garak] #4758169
05/15/18 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: SirTanon
The Motul is the clear winner of that bunch, IMHO.

If it is, and even if it isn't, I'm sure it'll be priced well above the others. wink


I forgot what I paid for it (used it on the third OCI for car in sig), but it was NOWHERE EVEN NEAR their 300V prices, not even HALF of what that 'liquid gold' co$t$. LOL


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Amsoil Ea15K51 filter
Motul Gear 300 non-LS 75W-90
Re: PQIA 5W-20: Havoline PDS, Lucas FS, Motul Specific [Re: dailydriver] #4758240
05/15/18 08:45 PM
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That's not so bad, then. wink The only Motul varieties I ever come across here are the motorsport types, and, well, you know how that goes. Of course, that's not to say they don't make phenomenal products.


Plain, simple Garak.

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1984 F-150 4.9L - Quaker State GB 10w-30, Wix 51515
Re: PQIA 5W-20: Havoline PDS, Lucas FS, Motul Specific [Re: wemay] #4758341
05/15/18 11:43 PM
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2% spread in NOACK, while also having better CCS. Motul is the clear winner here... which makes sense because itís probbaly double the price of the other two.


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