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#4756903 - 05/14/18 12:13 PM PQIA 5W-20: Havoline PDS, Lucas FS, Motul Specific
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#4756933 - 05/14/18 12:40 PM Re: PQIA 5W-20: Havoline PDS, Lucas FS, Motul Specific [Re: wemay]
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I always like a little boron in the add pack, notice the Motul's got it.
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#4756936 - 05/14/18 12:42 PM Re: PQIA 5W-20: Havoline PDS, Lucas FS, Motul Specific [Re: wemay]
SirTanon Offline


Registered: 06/23/14
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Loc: Phoenix, Arizona - USA
I am by no means a tribologist, and obviously can't make a definitive statement based solely off the numbers in those results.. but, based on what is provided..

The Motul is the clear winner of that bunch, IMHO.

The Havoline looks good, but not quite as robust as I expected.

The Lucas just looks like rebottled Valvoline WB, IMHO.
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#4757195 - 05/14/18 06:08 PM Re: PQIA 5W-20: Havoline PDS, Lucas FS, Motul Specific [Re: SirTanon]
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Registered: 05/05/18
Posts: 141
Loc: W. Palm
You're a bigger man than me smile

"The Lucas just looks like rebottled Valvoline WB, IMHO..... "

I thought the same exact thing but refused to post it...

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#4757214 - 05/14/18 06:21 PM Re: PQIA 5W-20: Havoline PDS, Lucas FS, Motul Specific [Re: wemay]
Char Baby Offline


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The Havoline ProDS looks better in the PQIA's 2013 testing than in this 2018 testing.
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#4757219 - 05/14/18 06:26 PM Re: PQIA 5W-20: Havoline PDS, Lucas FS, Motul Specific [Re: wemay]
Bud_One Offline


Registered: 04/19/14
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Havoline ProDS doesn't look any more impressive than their regular stuff. Weird.
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#4757242 - 05/14/18 06:43 PM Re: PQIA 5W-20: Havoline PDS, Lucas FS, Motul Specific [Re: SirTanon]
Garak Offline


Registered: 12/05/09
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Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Originally Posted By: SirTanon
The Motul is the clear winner of that bunch, IMHO.

If it is, and even if it isn't, I'm sure it'll be priced well above the others. wink
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#4757416 - 05/14/18 09:07 PM Re: PQIA 5W-20: Havoline PDS, Lucas FS, Motul Specific [Re: Char Baby]
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Registered: 09/21/08
Posts: 64
Loc: St. Catharines Ontario Canada
Originally Posted By: Char Baby
The Havoline ProDS looks better in the PQIA's 2013 testing than in this 2018 testing.


The bottle they used is Dexos 1 and online at Chevronlubricants it's Dexos1 Gen 2 and even the pds is D1G2 but is dated June 15 2018. I'm sure the formula changed between Dexos 1 and D1G2. Maybe the new one is not in stores yet.
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#4757504 - 05/15/18 02:05 AM Re: PQIA 5W-20: Havoline PDS, Lucas FS, Motul Specific [Re: wemay]
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Edited by Char Baby (05/15/18 02:11 AM)
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#4758169 - 05/15/18 07:08 PM Re: PQIA 5W-20: Havoline PDS, Lucas FS, Motul Specific [Re: Garak]
dailydriver Offline


Registered: 03/14/06
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Loc: Pennsylbammyvania
Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: SirTanon
The Motul is the clear winner of that bunch, IMHO.

If it is, and even if it isn't, I'm sure it'll be priced well above the others. wink


I forgot what I paid for it (used it on the third OCI for car in sig), but it was NOWHERE EVEN NEAR their 300V prices, not even HALF of what that 'liquid gold' co$t$. LOL
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#4758240 - 05/15/18 08:45 PM Re: PQIA 5W-20: Havoline PDS, Lucas FS, Motul Specific [Re: dailydriver]
Garak Offline


Registered: 12/05/09
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That's not so bad, then. wink The only Motul varieties I ever come across here are the motorsport types, and, well, you know how that goes. Of course, that's not to say they don't make phenomenal products.
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#4758341 - 05/15/18 11:43 PM Re: PQIA 5W-20: Havoline PDS, Lucas FS, Motul Specific [Re: wemay]
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Registered: 04/04/16
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Loc: Oregon
2% spread in NOACK, while also having better CCS. Motul is the clear winner here... which makes sense because itís probbaly double the price of the other two.
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