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Re: Looking for a Non-DI vehicle that gets 35+ MPG [Re: supton] #4756834 05/14/18 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted By: supton
Does it have to be new? Wondering if the used market might have what you want. Might be harder though, as the uptick in mpg for SUV/CUV seems to have come lately (with DI, turbo, etc).


I was specifically asking about used cars (<40k miles for <$20k). If I buy next year, i'd like to limit it to cars 2y/o or less.


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Re: Looking for a Non-DI vehicle that gets 35+ MPG [Re: Rand] #4756840 05/14/18 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted By: Rand
the non turbo elantra fits all that and about $13000


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Anything smal and light will break 40.

My current daily driver is a B9 Audi A4 (turbo) averaging 44.1mpg


You are constantly posting nonsense. The OP is in north america. its not imperial gallons.

even the tinest cars here dont get over 40mpg
cue the chevy spark at 30/38, even the smart car wont average over 40mpg.

This is almost as silly as your post saying its easy to covert a new Camero to stickshift.



I wouldn't worry too much about the Imperial Gallons and US Gallons situation.

Because i can't see how a petrol Audi A4 Turbo is doing 44.1mpg.

Unless it did that once on a long journey on a clear road at a steady 60mph.

45mpg is what you will get on average out of a 2.0tdi Passat with a DSG box.


As far as the OP goes Korean stuff don't seem to have CVT transmissions.

If petrol was the price in the UK that it is in the US I would not make a decision based on getting 30mpg or 36mpg.

The cost difference is tiny.

I would get whichever car I felt most comfortable in.

I rather like the Kia Sportage and the Kia Niro (if you get that model in the US) is not bad apparently.


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Re: Looking for a Non-DI vehicle that gets 35+ MPG [Re: badtlc] #4756857 05/14/18 11:26 AM
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Id suggest a cruze even though there turbo i get 40+ all day being tuned. How about a 3 cyl metro lol.


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Re: Looking for a Non-DI vehicle that gets 35+ MPG [Re: badtlc] #4756858 05/14/18 11:28 AM
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My 2014 Accord 4-cyl gets 34+ mpg. But it's a CVT.

The new Accords all have a turbo, but you can get a really transmission.

My wife has a 2014 Civic, it gets the same mileage, CVT.

Don't know why you won't consider a CVT, I've had no problems with mine.


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Re: Looking for a Non-DI vehicle that gets 35+ MPG [Re: badtlc] #4756888 05/14/18 12:00 PM
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beginning-2018 Corolla.

The all-new 2.0 2019 Corolla has DI BUT....also port injection. Which design gives all of the benefits of DI with none of the drawbacks.

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Re: Looking for a Non-DI vehicle that gets 35+ MPG [Re: Alex_V] #4756905 05/14/18 12:15 PM
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Can't say the turbo 1.4 in my Encore let me down but two PCV/valve cover replacements plus threats of a complete intake manifold replacement just to get at the other non replaceable valve gave me the willys when it kept flashing CEL. That air is being routed all over the engine.

The HyunKia 2.0 low tech engine gets better mpg, at least on the road, is more powerful and much quieter. At least after my first three thousand miles of mostly highway driving. Until this morning I was under the impression that it was DI just like my 1.6 Rio. If an engine is simple and performs well, that's a plus in my book.


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Re: Looking for a Non-DI vehicle that gets 35+ MPG [Re: Smokescreen] #4756906 05/14/18 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted By: Smokescreen
beginning-2018 Corolla.

The all-new 2.0 2019 Corolla has DI BUT....also port injection. Which design gives all of the benefits of DI with none of the drawbacks.


That 19 Corolla hatch is the first Toyota in a couple of decades that looks appealing to me. Hopefully Toyota is on the comeback.


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Re: Looking for a Non-DI vehicle that gets 35+ MPG [Re: badtlc] #4756930 05/14/18 12:38 PM
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The Mitsubishi Mirage gets the best mpg of any non hybrid car in the USA and its also the cheapest car you can buy at 10k new with a 10 year/100k mile powertrain warranty.

Ive had mine over 2 years and very happy with it. I got mine with manual transmission. Never have gottenn less than 50 mpg on highway and usually I am over 40mpg in the city.

Easy to park also because its a small car.


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Re: Looking for a Non-DI vehicle that gets 35+ MPG [Re: badtlc] #4756944 05/14/18 12:48 PM
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My wife and I love our 2014 Altima, which has the 2.5 liter engine and the CVT trans.

It's rated at 38 highway, but we've achieved 40+ MPG with it on multiple road trips. It has never disappointed us. At nearly 54,000 miles now, it is holding up great and has been super reliable.

FWIW - I've seen tons of used Altimas in the price range you're talking about. Heck, you can get a NEW Altima for under $20k easy.. I've even seen some under $18k.

Something to consider. Don't know if this is near you.


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Re: Looking for a Non-DI vehicle that gets 35+ MPG [Re: badtlc] #4757039 05/14/18 02:27 PM
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Get yourself a 2016+ Civic LX with manual 6 speed and 2.0 NA (MPI, not Di) with 28 / 40 / 32. Solid car with great mpg


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Re: Looking for a Non-DI vehicle that gets 35+ MPG [Re: parshisa] #4757092 05/14/18 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted By: parshisa
Get yourself a 2016+ Civic LX with manual 6 speed and 2.0 NA (MPI, not Di) with 28 / 40 / 32. Solid car with great mpg


I would prefer a manual but my wife needs to be able to drive it too. We tried that when I had the Mazda3 and she just didn't want to drive it, even after she learned how.


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Re: Looking for a Non-DI vehicle that gets 35+ MPG [Re: badtlc] #4757097 05/14/18 03:58 PM
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I hear you. Due to the recent injury I won't be able to drive my 6sp Civic for a while. Somehow I need to make my wife to drive this thing but she is just not willing to cooperate. even though she knows how drive manual and drove it before...spoiled women


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Re: Looking for a Non-DI vehicle that gets 35+ MPG [Re: badtlc] #4757104 05/14/18 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted By: badtlc
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If you can get over the CVT restriction, the Outback can return 30+mpg in country driving without DI. My wife is averaging 28mpg vs 22mpg in a 06 CRV in her driving, and I think I could get high 30's out of it just slowing down abit and not using the cruise. The CVT in the new ones has had a few fixes and refinements since its introduction, so I'm hoping they have it perfected now!


Yeah, the CVT is everywhere these days. I'd take one over a torque converter auto but I like the higher efficiency of a DCT if I can find one.


Every automotive CVT I know of uses a torque converter. I know the late model Subaru and Nissan CVTs I've owned all had TCs.

In regards to late model Subaru 5 and 6spd manual transmissions, I'd avoid them. Fun they are not. The newer Honda Civic 6spd is very nice if shifting is your thing.

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Re: Looking for a Non-DI vehicle that gets 35+ MPG [Re: badtlc] #4757105 05/14/18 04:09 PM
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What's wrong with Direct Injection?

77k miles on my Sonata, no issues.

My Sonata was so cheap, I could buy a new engine and still be way ahead over buying an Accord. I'm not kidding, last year it was $10k, the cheapest Accord was $16k within 200 miles.

So if it goes 150k and then some magical direct injection issue occurs, fix it and still be WAY ahead.


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Re: Looking for a Non-DI vehicle that gets 35+ MPG [Re: csandste] #4757125 05/14/18 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted By: csandste
Originally Posted By: Smokescreen
beginning-2018 Corolla.

The all-new 2.0 2019 Corolla has DI BUT....also port injection. Which design gives all of the benefits of DI with none of the drawbacks.


That 19 Corolla hatch is the first Toyota in a couple of decades that looks appealing to me. Hopefully Toyota is on the comeback.

It looks just like a Mazda3 to me.


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