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2018 Honda Civic Si, Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy #4756799
05/14/18 10:41 AM
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2018 Honda Civic Si

Lab: Oil Analyzers Inc
Sample date: 4/19/2018
Analysis date: 4/25/2018

Miles on vehicle: 3,995 miles
Miles on oil: 2,989 miles

Oil: Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0W-20
Oil Filter: Honda genuine oil filter (new on this OCI)
Air Filter: Honda genuine (from factory)
Fuel: Shell 93 octane


Note 1: I inadvertantly stuck a finger in this oil while taking the sample (doh!)
Note 2: First oil and oil filter change was roughly at 1,000 miles
Note 3: Car was allowed to idle during fill-ups and short stops during winter

Code:
Iron       11
Chromium   0
Nickel	   0
Aluminum   6
Copper     5
Lead       0
Tin        0
Cadmium    0
Silver     0
Vanadium   0
Silicon    39
Sodium     2
Potassium  5
Titanium   0
Molybdenum 121
Antimony   1
Manganese  1
Lithium    0
Boron      76
Magnesium  653
Calcium    1061
Barium     0
Phosphorus 606
Zinc       659

Fuel dilution: 3.6% (GC)
Soot: <0.1%
Water: <0.1% FTIR

[email protected]: 6.6
Base #: 4.85
Oxidation: 9 abs/cm
Nitration: 10 abs/0.1mm


Silicon and Fuel Dilution were flagged. I'm attributing the silicon to having stuck my finger in the sample jar, lol.

Overall I'm not concerned at this point. I'm using the same oil this interval but with a Napa Gold filter and will resample after 3k miles. The fuel dilution is my main source of focus.

The GDI and Fuel Dilution saga continues...

Re: 2018 Honda Civic Si, Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy [Re: CincyGTS] #4756820
05/14/18 10:55 AM
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High silicon is normal for new engines that are breaking in due to the sealants. Your report is excellent for wear metals. The FD is a concern. I assume this is the 1.5 TGDI engine?

What is your driving pattern? Most city or highway?


2017 Mazda CX-5 GT.

Valvoline Modern Engine 0w20
Mobil 1 EP 108A
Re: 2018 Honda Civic Si, Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy [Re: PimTac] #4756829
05/14/18 11:03 AM
05/14/18 11:03 AM
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Yep, this is the 1.5L turbo engine.

This was mainly short commutes to and from work (~17 minutes, 10 miles) with some longer drives (~50 minutes, 44 miles) once a week or so.

Re: 2018 Honda Civic Si, Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy [Re: CincyGTS] #4756832
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Yep the short trips will do it. The interesting thing that has been noted here is that while fuel dilution is high the wear metals stay within normal limits.

Personally I would stick with 5k oil changes max and a d1G2 or SN+ oil. Some have gone to a 30wt and that would be your decision. Some if the newer 30s are more like heavy 20s. Valvoline Modern Engine is one but the cost may override that.


2017 Mazda CX-5 GT.

Valvoline Modern Engine 0w20
Mobil 1 EP 108A
Re: 2018 Honda Civic Si, Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy [Re: CincyGTS] #4756835
05/14/18 11:12 AM
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Very similar to mine 10K report with 5K on the oil.
I would imagine FD will greatly improve with warm season and engine broken in.


2016 Honda Pilot 3.5V6 PP 0W20
2017 Honda Civic 1.5T Amsoil SS 5W30
Re: 2018 Honda Civic Si, Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy [Re: CincyGTS] #4756842
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I think so as well.


2017 Mazda CX-5 GT.

Valvoline Modern Engine 0w20
Mobil 1 EP 108A
Re: 2018 Honda Civic Si, Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy [Re: PimTac] #4756844
05/14/18 11:16 AM
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VAS and PP in 5w30 are both below 10cst I think (or somewhere around there). Going up on the weight really makes no difference in terms of mpg and performance (in my experience). I haven't done the UOA yet to compare the wear numbers. Unfortunately, I don't think I'll get one anytime soon due to injury and inability to drive the car...


2016 Honda Pilot 3.5V6 PP 0W20
2017 Honda Civic 1.5T Amsoil SS 5W30
Re: 2018 Honda Civic Si, Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy [Re: CincyGTS] #4756849
05/14/18 11:18 AM
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I'm surprised at the low levels of break-in material!

Good looking report other than the fuel.


2018 RAM 1500 Big Horn EcoDiesel
2016 Grand Cherokee SRT
Re: 2018 Honda Civic Si, Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy [Re: CincyGTS] #4756851
05/14/18 11:19 AM
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Why idle during fillups/short stops? Does it get super cold where you live? I can only assume that extra idling isn't helping the fuel dilution.


2016 Nissan Frontier Pro4x
2017 VW GTI sport
1995 Mustang GTS
Re: 2018 Honda Civic Si, Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy [Re: CincyGTS] #4756852
05/14/18 11:20 AM
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How does the engine sound near then end of the OCI?
If it clattery I would substitute a litre or two of youe M1 10w30 with your AFE.
No use spinning a rod bearing over owner's manual fundamentalism. No need or want to go whle hog 30 grade in this Honda.

BTW does this engine have VVT along with vtec?


2014 Nissan Rogue S CVT, OC#9 41392mi-QSUD10W30 + M110A CHAMP Filter; 2017 Subaru Crosstrek CVT OC#2 ?? mi-SOA/Idemitsu 0w20 + SOA Filter
Re: 2018 Honda Civic Si, Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy [Re: CincyGTS] #4756853
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9.8 for the 5w30 weight. perfect for this application


2016 Honda Pilot 3.5V6 PP 0W20
2017 Honda Civic 1.5T Amsoil SS 5W30
Re: 2018 Honda Civic Si, Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy [Re: HemiHawk] #4756856
05/14/18 11:25 AM
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Cincinnati, OH
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It was steadily in the 20s. Just a personal choice more or less

Re: 2018 Honda Civic Si, Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy [Re: ARCOgraphite] #4756875
05/14/18 11:47 AM
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No difference in sound at the end of the OCI. Of course this was a shorter OCI...

Re: 2018 Honda Civic Si, Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy [Re: ARCOgraphite] #4757005
05/14/18 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
How does the engine sound near then end of the OCI?
If it clattery I would substitute a litre or two of youe M1 10w30 with your AFE.
No use spinning a rod bearing over owner's manual fundamentalism. No need or want to go whle hog 30 grade in this Honda.

BTW does this engine have VVT along with vtec?


Bad info and fear mongering.


2007 Ford Fusion 232,000 miles
M1 0-20 EP
2017 Ford Fusion 58K
M1 0-20 EP
10,000 mile OCIs on both engines
M1 ATF and MC LV
M1 10-30 in all OPE
MC filters

Re: 2018 Honda Civic Si, Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy [Re: CincyGTS] #4757045
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BTW does this engine have VVT along with vtec?


Same thing, is it not?


2017 Mazda CX-5 GT.

Valvoline Modern Engine 0w20
Mobil 1 EP 108A
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