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#4756733 - 05/14/18 09:47 AM cars remote keys killing people
edwardh1 Offline


Registered: 01/17/03
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http://money.cnn.com/2018/05/13/news/keyless-car-deaths-carbon-monoxide-new-york-times/index.html

is this a remote start, them you leave it running in garage and co gets you thing?
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#4756746 - 05/14/18 09:56 AM Re: cars remote keys killing people [Re: edwardh1]
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I don't think it was the cars that killed them...
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#4756750 - 05/14/18 09:58 AM Re: cars remote keys killing people [Re: edwardh1]
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I think its more people with lower than average hearing, parking in the attached garage and are getting out of their super quiet lexus thinking they've shut it off with the push button start system. Then it idles for hours(days?), and CO gets into the house somehow.
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#4756753 - 05/14/18 10:00 AM Re: cars remote keys killing people [Re: edwardh1]
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Purging the gene pool. If someone is to stupid to turn their car off they are a real moron.
On the other hand if these were accidental pocket starts then the companies should be sued penniless IMO.
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#4756766 - 05/14/18 10:04 AM Re: cars remote keys killing people [Re: edwardh1]
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This isn't about the remote start systems, which btw all have a set time before they shut off. This is about the cars being equipped with the push button start systems where you can keep the proximity key in your pocket.

People, mostly older ones, probably with hearing troubles, park their car in the garage and walk away with the engine running, but they think the engine shut off. The key is in their pocket, so that is most likely a factor.

A push button equipped car only needs the proximity key to be started, once started it will keep running even if the key is not in the range.
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#4756778 - 05/14/18 10:21 AM Re: cars remote keys killing people [Re: edwardh1]
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A prudent thing to have in one's living quarters are carbon monoxide alarms. Some of today's fire alarms also double as a carbon monoxide alarm. Highly recommended.

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#4756779 - 05/14/18 10:22 AM Re: cars remote keys killing people [Re: edwardh1]
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Registered: 12/16/17
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Also so many people without CO detectors in the house. Really cheap insurance to have a little doodad near the bedroom that will screech at you long before there's enough CO to kill.

Still seems weird that there's not a more prominent chime when the door is opened with the engine running, just like how cars used to beep if you left keys in the ignition with the door open.
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#4756784 - 05/14/18 10:26 AM Re: cars remote keys killing people [Re: edwardh1]
czbrian Offline


Registered: 04/10/15
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Loc: Houston, TX
My mom left her 2018 Equinox running at work a month ago. It has the automatic start/stop system so when she got out, the engine was likely off, keys were in her pocket and she was probably distracted or something. A coworker told her that her car was still on within a short period of time so she walked outside and realized what she had done.

This was also happening to Chevy Volt owners. They would be driving around on battery, park and forget to hit the off button. Eventually it would run out of battery and the engine would start up. GM later did a software update to where it would turn off after a certain period of time instead of firing up the engine. I don't know if it was based on not receiving input from the steering wheel or something but they did the update. I think the car honks or something at you too if you leave the area with your key in your pocket.

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#4756800 - 05/14/18 10:41 AM Re: cars remote keys killing people [Re: edwardh1]
edwardh1 Offline


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what is the proximoty key range?

in a small apartment next to the garage if key is inside the room by the garage is that considered in proximity (allowing the engine to still run and not sounding a walking away alarm??


Edited by edwardh1 (05/14/18 10:44 AM)
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#4756809 - 05/14/18 10:49 AM Re: cars remote keys killing people [Re: edwardh1]
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This is easily fixed with a software change. Vehicle will idle for lets say 5 minutes. Time starts when seat belt is unhooked OR if no inputs are recognized within this period, then ECU shuts off engine. Simple.
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#4756814 - 05/14/18 10:53 AM Re: cars remote keys killing people [Re: edwardh1]
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Registered: 03/11/12
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Iíve never had remote start but I can something happening that happens to me maybe. My key is in my pocket and all of a sudden as Iím washing dishes my horn is blaring. As I leaned against the cabinet I pressed the button long enough in my pocket to cause the panic to go off. Itís not been just a one time thing. I have to remove my keys from my pocket because itís happened many times. Mostly at night while people are sleeping. I can see this kind of thing happening and maybe a car starting in the garage unknown to the owner.
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#4756827 - 05/14/18 10:59 AM Re: cars remote keys killing people [Re: czbrian]
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Registered: 12/18/06
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Loc: Michigan
Originally Posted By: czbrian
My mom left her 2018 Equinox running at work a month ago. It has the automatic start/stop system so when she got out, the engine was likely off, keys were in her pocket and she was probably distracted or something. A coworker told her that her car was still on within a short period of time so she walked outside and realized what she had done.


Nope. As soon as the vehicle is shifted to P, the engine restarts if it was auto-stopped. Auto-stop only happens when the trans selector is in D. Anything else will leave the engine running or start it back up.

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#4756836 - 05/14/18 11:12 AM Re: cars remote keys killing people [Re: edwardh1]
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Loc: Mt. Vernon, NY
http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/la...1005-story.html

This isn't a new issue. That is one reason that newer Fords with keyless ignitions honk the horn when the car is left running and the driver exits the car with the keys in his or her pocket.
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#4756843 - 05/14/18 11:16 AM Re: cars remote keys killing people [Re: edwardh1]
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Our 2015 CR-V has the push button and if I get out while it's running, for example while dropping off people at the airport, and completely close the door, it beeps pretty insistently for a couple of seconds or three, so if that vehicle ever gets upgraded to a garage space am not too worried, at least yet.

But anyway, if I had a choice, it's not an option I'd choose next time; keys stuck in pocket while driving are a PIT-hip or I'm paranoid I'll drop the keys somewehre inside and have to rummage around to dig them out, or they'll fall out of a coat pocket or ...
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#4756860 - 05/14/18 11:31 AM Re: cars remote keys killing people [Re: oldhp]
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Registered: 06/04/02
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Originally Posted By: oldhp
This is easily fixed with a software change. Vehicle will idle for lets say 5 minutes. Time starts when seat belt is unhooked OR if no inputs are recognized within this period, then ECU shuts off engine. Simple.

This would have its own unintended consequences. If a person wants to keep the engine running, say, to keep warm in the winter or a mechanic doing performance checks, it would be irritating.

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