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#4756422 - 05/14/18 12:00 AM Lets talk printers
motor_oil_madman Offline

Registered: 11/29/09
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Loc: Houston, Texas
Okay, so I decided my inkjet printer is literally the most expensive POS I've ever had to operate. Everytime I need to use it, there is an issue with it. Out of ink, out of paper, ends up printing something from last time that didn't print and spits out tons of paper. Are the laser jet printers any better? My main issue are the ink cartridges. You get like 100 pages out them and they run out.
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#4756427 - 05/14/18 12:03 AM Re: Lets talk printers [Re: motor_oil_madman]
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I have this printer at home and it has printed off way more than 100 pages without issue or needing a toner replacement.
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#4756430 - 05/14/18 12:08 AM Re: Lets talk printers [Re: motor_oil_madman]

Registered: 06/24/04
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Loc: St. Louis
The Canon laser copier printer gets about 1,500 page or more from a $9 generic new cartridge from Ebay. The answer is yes, lasers are 1,400 times better or more. All my laser printers can sit for days or weeks and print perfectly. They are quicker too.
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#4756459 - 05/14/18 02:56 AM Re: Lets talk printers [Re: motor_oil_madman]
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Registered: 01/01/18
Posts: 534
Loc: San Antonio, TX
The people who manufacture printers have got the idea that their customers are all rich office people and they price their products accordingly. They are mass produced out of cheap plastic and sold at a 1000 percent profit. How much does that printer that bdcardinal posted cost to make? I'd say about $20 tops.

#4756473 - 05/14/18 04:11 AM Re: Lets talk printers [Re: motor_oil_madman]
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Inkjet printers are cheap up front because they make up the cost with expensive ink cartridge refills.

I kicked my "premium" AIO inkjet to the curb and picked up a Brother B&W laserjet instead. Toner is much cheaper and can last years if barely used. I have the laserjet sit for months without printing anything and if I do need to print an important document it won't need to "initialize" like with inkjets if sat unused for a long time.
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#4756478 - 05/14/18 04:25 AM Re: Lets talk printers [Re: motor_oil_madman]
Johnny2Bad Offline

Registered: 05/20/13
Posts: 2022
Loc: Saskatchewan, Canada
Brother monochrome or colour laser printer. Yes, you can buy the cheapest model.

I've owned two ... the monochrome I owned for seven years, went through two toner cartridges plus the one that came with it (about 10,000 pages), sold it to friend who uses it in her business. Paid $C 87 [$US 68] from Staples Bricks-and-Mortar. Still works fine.

Replaced it with a colour laser, owned it so far for four years. Works perfectly. Can use black ink only if you want, and separate colour toner cartridges so you only replace what you actually need. Still on the toner it came with, about 3,000 pages so far. Black is half level, colours are almost as new. Paid $C 120 [$US 94] from Staples online, they shipped it to my local Bricks-and-Mortar for pickup.

I do notice that the "starter" toner that come with the Brother printers here in Canada is much higher capacity (about 3x) than the ones I see for sale in the US, if that matters.

WiFi / Ethernet / USB (I use the WiFi setup, prints from laptop, desktop and phone without nary a single hiccup).

I've also owned Epson inkjets (currently: a six colour, including a clearcoat, dedicated photo printer) which is also excellent, but it's a waste to use that for ordinary documents. About $C 200 for a full set of ink, but again this is a very high end photo printer. I print a few hundred 8x10's on a set of ink. Printer itself was $C 600.00

I've also owned Hewlett-Packard inkjets ... high end PostScript model (at the time, in the mid 90's, about $US 2,000). I like H-P but their support is like crawling through a minefield with no way out, so I never recommend them. They were not trouble-free (which is typical of PostScript printers in general) and the issues were minor, but getting that issue resolved was a nightmare every time.

Canons are generally well liked by owners, I've never owned one as my needs in the space they do best at is better served by the Epson Photo Printer(s). But they are on the list every time I shop for a dedicated Photo printer. It's just that I expect the Epson (and the Brothers, for that matter) to outlive me.

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#4756485 - 05/14/18 04:38 AM Re: Lets talk printers [Re: motor_oil_madman]
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Loc: NY
I'll be in the market for one soon. Subscribed.
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#4756489 - 05/14/18 04:55 AM Re: Lets talk printers [Re: motor_oil_madman]
Johnny2Bad Offline

Registered: 05/20/13
Posts: 2022
Loc: Saskatchewan, Canada
RE: budget laser printers

As I mentioned in my previous post, they generally come with what is called a "starter" toner unit. Similar to how inkjets are marketed (lowest retail price being a priority to entice consumers) most low- and mid- tier lasers will come with a toner pack good for (in the US) about 500 pages (for some reason, the Brother units are 1500 in Canada. I say "for some reason" because there doesn't seem to be any real price difference between the different market models).

This lowers the retail price. But when you shop, be sure to ask or confirm what it comes with, and I would suggest buying a full toner unit when you buy the printer (use the starter unit until it dies, then replace) or at least check out the prices, and figure the cost of both into your shopping.

Note that Brother offers two sizes of replacement toner units (I don't know for sure, but suspect, it's common in the industry with other makes), it's cheaper per page to get the larger one, but regardless be sure you are comparing apples to apples when shopping with regard to capacity. Not surprisingly, when you see a price online or in a flyer, it's inevitably the smaller unit.

Also, if you are new to laser printers, know that there are two consumables in every laser printer. One is the toner cartridge, the other is the drum head. You generally need to replace the drum head less often, but there is a catch.

Some lasers incorporate the toner and drum in a single package (eg H-P). That will impact the replacement cost.

Others (Brother among them) sell separate toner and drum units.

The toner/drum units means the drum is regularly replaced and is usually trouble free. However, if the drum does die, you will lose all the toner as well.

With the Brother units I've never actually had to replace the drum, but it's said to budget for one every three toner cartridges.

The drum will last the longest if you only print text, and the shortest if you print full page photos or lots of images. Laser printers do not reproduce images as well as inkjets, may as well get that out of the way, but it's certainly adequate if you're not printing photos for display.

Although inkjets have improved, note that laser ink is permanent. Inkjets can smudge if the paper ever gets wet, which might matter if you make shipping labels or print envelopes or business cards. Also, you can use a laser for some other things like making printed circuit boards, if you're a hobbyist.
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#4756496 - 05/14/18 05:18 AM Re: Lets talk printers [Re: motor_oil_madman]
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Loc: Wet side WA
They could just give you inkjet printers that ink is like $3000 a gallon.
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#4756513 - 05/14/18 06:13 AM Re: Lets talk printers [Re: motor_oil_madman]

Registered: 06/24/04
Posts: 2278
Loc: St. Louis
I have had 2 HP laser printers. Very reliable, but needed scanner and fax. Two Canon all in one laser. One Brother all in one. With Lasers all have worked good with printing.

Things to consider is where to buy toner. The only problem I had was bad toner. The last Canon was bought at Amazon and I bought two aftermarket toners. Only problem is after starter toner one did not work. From now on I will test them.

Two Canon MF470n bought at Amazon have been great. Challenging for me to install driver in Linux if that is important to you. I hear Brother is good in that regard. Again, bought two bad toners on Ebay. Once you find a good source for toner stick with it. That was my mistake. I am not complaining. I have had thousands of trouble free copies for a fraction of the cost of inkjet. My Canon's had drum in toner. Brother you replace separately. Right now Brother seems to be a top choice.
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#4756516 - 05/14/18 06:20 AM Re: Lets talk printers [Re: motor_oil_madman]
Kage860 Offline

Registered: 04/17/17
Posts: 91
Loc: NY
I second Brother brand laser printers. Best bang for the buck ink refills. Lasers cartriges last 2000 pages or so as well. Iíve been getting those for me and my family for years now.
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#4756524 - 05/14/18 06:31 AM Re: Lets talk printers [Re: motor_oil_madman]
SeaJay Offline

Registered: 03/05/15
Posts: 1130
Loc: New York City
Hewlett Packard black and white laser printers are the work horses of the business world. Usually they get replaced after many years and hundreds of thousands of pages printed not because they break, but because the new ones have much better technology.

#4756530 - 05/14/18 06:33 AM Re: Lets talk printers [Re: motor_oil_madman]
Johnny2Bad Offline

Registered: 05/20/13
Posts: 2022
Loc: Saskatchewan, Canada
I know everybody's needs are different, but I avoid all-in-ones because I don't want to lose print and scan at the same time if there are problems. Fax is irrelevant to me as that can all be done from the desktop (compose, send, receive, print).

Also my scanner requirements are too high to be met by all-in-one's.

Finally I am a bit too security conscious to want an internet-connected device when un-necessary; my ethernet network is divided; one faces the internet, one is local only. I only have one laptop and my ROKU stick with internet access; one computer, the security system (cameras) and the print / scan is separate and local only. I save huge amounts in software costs that way as well, no need to upgrade to the latest versions on the local network computer, so the high dollar software is there ).
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#4756533 - 05/14/18 06:37 AM Re: Lets talk printers [Re: motor_oil_madman]
Rand Offline

Registered: 08/20/03
Posts: 12804
Loc: NE,Ohio
For home use get the cheapest brother laser printer that has the options you want..
prices vary from $50 to $250 for most models.

printer only

printer scanner

printer scanner fax

adf scanner, duplex adf scanner


Brother printers at least in my experience just work and work flawlessly.
there is good aftermarket toner under 10$ each and I've never had to replace a drum but they have those for around $20 iirc.

Their drivers are simple and work well.

Canon drivers seem flashier and occasionally have issues. Also Good aftermarket toner is harder to find.
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#4756537 - 05/14/18 06:39 AM Re: Lets talk printers [Re: motor_oil_madman]

Registered: 06/24/04
Posts: 2278
Loc: St. Louis
Here is the thread that helped when buying a Brother laser. I could not live without All-In-One. I fax a lot. If you only need to print it will be simple. Get Brother.

Laser Printer Recommendations
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