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Accumulated oil inventory - need help #4754219
05/11/18 01:30 PM
05/11/18 01:30 PM
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Posts: 905
Kyiv, Ukraine
Primus Offline OP
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Kyiv, Ukraine
Hi everybody,

I need your help. I have never been a supporter of mixing oils, but it happened that since 2000 for this or that reason I could not use all quantity of oils I had been purchasing, so finally I accumulated an inventory which either due to emerged with age my natural greediness, or due to not too favorable financial situation it would be pity to throw away cause it's a good amount of money. Last year I used old Motul 300V 5W-40 (2002-2004) and GC 0W-30 (2003-2004) and they worked without some manifested issues.

The car is Honda Prelude 2.2 VTEC, oil change capacity including filter is 4.8l, engine full oil capacity is 5.9l, recommended oil grades are from 10W-30 to 20W-50 API SG or SJ. Oil grades like 0W-30 and 5W-30 certified for GF-3, GF-4 and ACEA A1/B1, A5/B5 are allowed for temperatures below 0C only. Given I don't have enough oil of one type I would like to mix oils in a relatively safe way, if today something may be still safe and relative, but even after years of oil study I am still not sure about home blends. So, below is the list of accumulated oils with some brief details:

1. Motul 300V BIO 5W-40 - 4 liters (2002-2004, Ca-Ma package, Moly of unknown type is about 800 ppm, not recommended for mixing with other oils of 300V line)

2. Motul 300V 10W-40 - 2 liters (2003-2004)

3. Motul 300V 15W-60 - 2 liters (2003-2004)

4. Fina First 5W-50, API SJ, CCMC G5/PD2, BMW, Porche - 4 liters (2003, PAO)

5. Shell Helix Ultra AB 5W-30 - 4 liters: 1 liter in API SJ, BMW LL-01/MB229.3 (2000, XHVI/PAO/POE), 2 liters in API SL, BMW LL-01/MB229.5 (2004, XHVI/PAO) + 1 liter API SH, BMW LL-01/MB229.5 (2006, XHVI/PAO - downgraded in API)

6. Unocal 76 Nascar Synthetic 10W-30, API SJ - 2 liters (1999 + 2000, PAO + about 15% POE, special patented AW package)

7. Unocal 76 Pure Synthetic 5W-40, API SJ, ACEA A3/B3, BMW LL-01, MB 229.1, Porche - 1 liter (2001, PAO)

8. Mobil1 15W-50 SuperSyn, API SL, ACEA A3/B4-02 - 1 liter (2005)

9. Elf Synthese 0W-40, API SJ, ACEA A3/B3-98 - 1 liter (2002, PAO)

10. Lexus 0W-20, API SN, GF-5 - 2 liters (2014)


Any idea how to mix them in order to avoid eventual additive clash ?

Many thanks in advance for your help.

Re: Accumulated oil inventory - need help [Re: Primus] #4754226
05/11/18 01:39 PM
05/11/18 01:39 PM
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Michigan
ZZman Offline
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Mix up up anyway you feel comfortable. Just shake em up really good first.

And this is why I buy my oil as needed.


2003 Mercury Grand Marquis. PP HM 5w-30 and Fram Ultra
2008 Sebring Hardtop convertible. PP HM 5w-30 and Fram Ultra
2006 Kawasaki Vulcan 900 LT. Amsoil Metric 10w-40
Re: Accumulated oil inventory - need help [Re: Primus] #4754236
05/11/18 01:50 PM
05/11/18 01:50 PM
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San Antonio, TX
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I donít think youíll ever have an issue mixing and if you did you probably couldnít study enough before hand to be able to predict anything happeneing with certain mixes. Iíve done plenty of mixes (6 different oils in one change ) and never had an issue.


1984 Mercedes-Benz 300SD - 100k
1995 F150 XL 4.9 reg cab 5MT - 251k 5w30
2016 Mazda6 Touring 6MT - 57k 10w30
2006 Buick Lucerne CXL 3.8 31k 5w30
Re: Accumulated oil inventory - need help [Re: Primus] #4754240
05/11/18 01:57 PM
05/11/18 01:57 PM
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ROCHESTER, NY
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ROCHESTER, NY
Mix'em!
Just because you're not a supporter of mixing, doesn't make mixing a bad thing. It may not be optimal but it certainly isn't wrong and it's a good way to get rid of stragglers. Also, feel confident in running the straggler(Frankenbrew) oil for the full length as with any other oil change. And sleep well.

Last edited by Char Baby; 05/11/18 02:08 PM.

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Re: Accumulated oil inventory - need help [Re: Primus] #4754262
05/11/18 02:15 PM
05/11/18 02:15 PM
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Chicago,IL,USA
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Chicago,IL,USA
since this summer may be hot in Kiev,
I would use # 2,3 and 9 for current
than mix the others for a 10w30-5w40 end result.

I think Caterham had a calculator at some point.


16 Golf SportWagen
13 Mazda5
08 Yaris
04 Elantra
95 accent
95 mystique
97 concorde
Re: Accumulated oil inventory - need help [Re: Primus] #4754284
05/11/18 02:35 PM
05/11/18 02:35 PM
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Southeastern USA
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I feel that if you're mixing different oils then at the very least mix together oils that come from the same manufacturer. The viscosity grade is not nearly as important as keeping the additive chemistry the same. If you have Motul 300V of one viscosity then mix it with Motul 300V of another viscosity.

Mix your Unocal products with each other and so forth.

The idea is to limit additive clash that can lead to consumption when things don't play well with each other.

Re: Accumulated oil inventory - need help [Re: Primus] #4754292
05/11/18 02:43 PM
05/11/18 02:43 PM
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NC
Vladiator Offline
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NC
There will be ZERO additive clash for a normal OCI of 5000-7000kms. Here is the proof with oil analysis:





2000 Lexus GS300-361k
1999 Lexus GS400-213k
2006 Toyota Camry-187k
2006 Toyota Highlander Hybrid-125k
2009 Scion xB-120k
2013 VW Tiguan-120k
2009 Toyota Tacoma-60k
Re: Accumulated oil inventory - need help [Re: Primus] #4754297
05/11/18 02:56 PM
05/11/18 02:56 PM
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Florida, Cape Coral
Eddie Offline
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Florida, Cape Coral
I probably would try to sell or trade as much as possible and then purchase to add to one oil that I had in same viscosity. Ed


CX5 Touring 2.5L :-)
Re: Accumulated oil inventory - need help [Re: Primus] #4754355
05/11/18 04:16 PM
05/11/18 04:16 PM
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Oshawa, Ontario Canada
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I would use the thicker stuff in summer and leave the lighter stuff for winter.


2015 Grand Caravan SXT Plus 5w-20 PPPP/Fram Ultra Filter
1997 Honda Civic CX 5w-30 Shell Conventional/Fram Ultra Filter
Re: Accumulated oil inventory - need help [Re: FowVay] #4754362
05/11/18 04:27 PM
05/11/18 04:27 PM
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Seattle, WA
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Seattle, WA
Originally Posted By: FowVay
I feel that if you're mixing different oils then at the very least mix together oils that come from the same manufacturer. The viscosity grade is not nearly as important as keeping the additive chemistry the same. If you have Motul 300V of one viscosity then mix it with Motul 300V of another viscosity.

Mix your Unocal products with each other and so forth.

The idea is to limit additive clash that can lead to consumption when things don't play well with each other.


Completely agree. Oil manufacturers (at least the big ones) also make sure to test their oils with other manufactures oils to ensure compatibility. It would be safe to say they test compatibility with their own oil in differing grades as well. I try to limit mixing during a single oil change, but have never had problems using half and half of differing oils during a single oil change interval.


16 F150 5.0-QS UD 5w20,MtCrft FL500S
10 Merc C300-Mob 1 0w40,MANN H U7 18/5X
08 Maz3S 2.3-Cast Syn 5w30,Wix 57203XP
17JD D160-Cast Syn 0w30,MtCrft FL400S
Re: Accumulated oil inventory - need help [Re: SnowmanCO] #4754373
05/11/18 04:52 PM
05/11/18 04:52 PM
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Champlain/Hudson Valley
Kira Offline
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The old AP (airframe-powerplant) mechanic next store told me, "They're all compatible". That was years ago.

He also used to say, "How does it know when to be 10 and hoe does it know when to be 30? (of 10W-30 oil, for example)".

Nobody on this board has ever offered an example of additives "not playing well together".

Mix on!

Re: Accumulated oil inventory - need help [Re: JC1] #4754439
05/11/18 06:41 PM
05/11/18 06:41 PM
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OH
fdcg27 Offline
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OH
Originally Posted By: JC1
I would use the thicker stuff in summer and leave the lighter stuff for winter.


Exactly my thought.
Use the 15Ws for warm weather runs and the lower W rated oils for the colder months.
This is not a picky engine.
I ran M1 EP 15W-50 in warm weather in both our old '97 2.2 Accord and our later '99 2.3 Accord with no issues at all and saw very smooth and quiet engine operation, a bit less rev-happiness and noticeable but very slight reduction in fuel economy.
You have a stash of good oils and a robust engine in which to use them.
Have no worries about using this stash.


18 Accord Hybrid FF
17 Forester 18K VME 0W-20
12 Accord LX 96K SSO 0W-20
09 Forester 95K M1HM 10W-30
01 Focus ZX3 118K PP 5W-20
96 Accord LX 104K T5 10W-30
95 318i
Re: Accumulated oil inventory - need help [Re: Primus] #4754543
05/11/18 08:50 PM
05/11/18 08:50 PM
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US-WA
Dyusik Offline
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US-WA
All in.

Motul 300V 15W-60 for top offs.

Last edited by Dyusik; 05/11/18 08:53 PM. Reason: Good grief, this site..

95 Cherokee 190K DELO 10W30, XG8
07 IS250 100K Napa 10w30, FULL
04 YZF-R1 19K DELO 15w40, XG7317
99 HD XL1200S 20K VR1 20w50, NG1515
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Re: Accumulated oil inventory - need help [Re: Primus] #4754579
05/11/18 09:29 PM
05/11/18 09:29 PM
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Waco, TX
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I mix anything and everything... usually 50/50 cheapest stuff with the most expensive stuff (life is a balance!)


"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: Accumulated oil inventory - need help [Re: Primus] #4754909
05/12/18 09:49 AM
05/12/18 09:49 AM
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Posts: 905
Kyiv, Ukraine
Primus Offline OP
Primus  Offline OP
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Kyiv, Ukraine
Hi ! Thanks a lot all of you for your prompt responses. Just some comments/concerns:

Naturally, in view of winter temperatures in Ukraine some mixes would be used just for summer. However, viscosity is not really what makes me worry, but eventual additive clash. Under eventual additive clash I meant that certain additives in one oil may hinder certain additives in another oil to fulfill correctly their designed functions (for example, number of additives even in a well formulated oil fight for a place on metal parts), rather than a chemical interaction. Though, I believe a risk of chemical interaction still exists. To my view an example of trouble-free run on 33 oils mixture may be relevant just to nowadays oils formulations which are quite limited in number due to globalization and unification. 15-25 years ago there was more diversity in oils' formulations and as I still remember from 90th there were some recommendations as for oil mixing:

1. Don't mix oils of different quality level (Obviously, the main reason was to ensure a designed quality level which is not an issue in my case)

2. Don't mix oils of different viscosities (It's quite possible that this may be also related to different types and quantity of VII in different SAE grades)

3. Don't mix synthetic oils (Cause additive package could be different for different base stocks. Well, quite vast warning, but it's very likely there was a base for it. I don't find another reason why Motul warned against mixing its 300V BIO 5W-40 with other 300V grades, though these other 300V grades were miscible according to Motul).

Anyway, thanks a lot for your inputs. If I am wrong with point 2, then for the moment I would consider the following blends:

SUMMER:
1. Motul 300V 10W-40 (2L) + 300V 15W-60 (2L) + Lexus 0W-20 (0.8L)
2. Motul 300V 5W-40 (4L) + Unocal 76 NASCAR 10W-30 (0.8L)
3. Fina Fist 5W-50 (4L) + Unocal 76 NASCAR 10W-30 (0.8L)
4. Mobil1 15W-50 (1L) + Unocal 76 PURE Synth 5W-40 (1L) + Lexus 0W-20 (1.8L)


WINTER:
1. Shell HU AB 5W-30 (4L) + Elf 0W-40 (0.8L)

It would be great to have enough oil for 2 winter intervals, but in view of a.m. reasons I have some doubts on further optimization.


Hope to hear your comments. Many thanks in advance.

Last edited by Primus; 05/12/18 09:52 AM.
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