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#4753215 - 05/10/18 04:53 PM Toyota 2GR-FE TGMO with Particle Count
Patrick0525 Offline


Registered: 07/23/14
Posts: 146
Loc: PA
Analysis with Particle Count

TGMO 0W-20 + Fram Ultra XG9972 @70K mi

5K on oil and 10K on filter (change filter every other OC)


Calculated the filter @14 microns allowed (24 particles not caught/43669 particles total) * 100 = 0.05%
It is 99.9% efficient.

Blackstone said it was particles/ml and they will re-do the oil analysis again because Pb was found in a sample before my analysis.

Fram synthetic ultra are amazing and the data proves it.








Edited by Patrick0525 (05/10/18 04:57 PM)
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#4753247 - 05/10/18 05:33 PM Re: Toyota 2GR-FE TGMO with Particle Count [Re: Patrick0525]
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Registered: 11/29/08
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Thanks for the post. I just purchased Fram ultras for borhe vehicles. I'll be doing two oil changes per filter in the caravan and 3 OCI per filter on the civic.
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#4753252 - 05/10/18 05:36 PM Re: Toyota 2GR-FE TGMO with Particle Count [Re: Patrick0525]
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Registered: 10/07/16
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Loc: California
Isn't the manufacturer oci on these engines 10k?

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#4753266 - 05/10/18 05:50 PM Re: Toyota 2GR-FE TGMO with Particle Count [Re: jj51702]
Patrick0525 Offline


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Yes, Toyota's maintenance schedule is synthetic oil+filter @10kmi but the oem filter looks like it is cellulose based. I suspect the oem filter can cannot achieve those particle count levels.
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#4753280 - 05/10/18 06:02 PM Re: Toyota 2GR-FE TGMO with Particle Count [Re: Patrick0525]
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Originally Posted By: Patrick0525
Yes, Toyota's maintenance schedule is synthetic oil+filter @10kmi but the oem filter looks like it is cellulose based. I suspect the oem filter can cannot achieve those particle count levels.


Any evidence to back that "i suspect " part up?


Edited by car51 (05/10/18 06:03 PM)

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#4753304 - 05/10/18 06:30 PM Re: Toyota 2GR-FE TGMO with Particle Count [Re: Patrick0525]
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Registered: 12/08/10
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I think you are way off on your calculations and optimism. It just doesn't work like you are saying about efficiency %. A ml is a very small amount of oil. 5 qts = 4732 ml. If the numbers are the same for the rest of the oil, unlikely, that's a lot of particles. Particles can be all sorts of things, many are harmless. The 23 number is not good at all. 2cents

www.precisionfiltration.com/products/PDF/Understanding%20ISO%20Codes.pdf

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#4753340 - 05/10/18 06:58 PM Re: Toyota 2GR-FE TGMO with Particle Count [Re: Patrick0525]
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Thanks for the link, goodtimes! That takes some of the mystery out. Upon perusing it, I agree. I also agree with car51's question.
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#4753380 - 05/10/18 07:37 PM Re: Toyota 2GR-FE TGMO with Particle Count [Re: Patrick0525]
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I would really like to know how they perform their particle counts.
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#4753405 - 05/10/18 07:54 PM Re: Toyota 2GR-FE TGMO with Particle Count [Re: Patrick0525]
Patrick0525 Offline


Registered: 07/23/14
Posts: 146
Loc: PA
Paper vs synthetic media, I used 'suspect' because companies like Wix, Fram, Amsoil, Mobil 1 have done testing, offer tiered priced synthetic products and then made their marketing claims.

I put my 23/27/12 on the dirty side.

Blackstone particle count
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