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Toyota 2GR-FE TGMO with Particle Count #4753215
05/10/18 03:53 PM
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Analysis with Particle Count

TGMO 0W-20 + Fram Ultra XG9972 @70K mi

5K on oil and 10K on filter (change filter every other OC)


Calculated the filter @14 microns allowed (24 particles not caught/43669 particles total) * 100 = 0.05%
It is 99.9% efficient.

Blackstone said it was particles/ml and they will re-do the oil analysis again because Pb was found in a sample before my analysis.

Fram synthetic ultra are amazing and the data proves it.







Last edited by Patrick0525; 05/10/18 03:57 PM.

'14 Toyota Venza 3.5L 80K mi
TGMO 0W-20
PP 0W-20/Fram Ultra filter(spring/summer)


Re: Toyota 2GR-FE TGMO with Particle Count [Re: Patrick0525] #4753247
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Thanks for the post. I just purchased Fram ultras for borhe vehicles. I'll be doing two oil changes per filter in the caravan and 3 OCI per filter on the civic.


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Re: Toyota 2GR-FE TGMO with Particle Count [Re: Patrick0525] #4753252
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Isn't the manufacturer oci on these engines 10k?

Re: Toyota 2GR-FE TGMO with Particle Count [Re: jj51702] #4753266
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Yes, Toyota's maintenance schedule is synthetic oil+filter @10kmi but the oem filter looks like it is cellulose based. I suspect the oem filter can cannot achieve those particle count levels.


'14 Toyota Venza 3.5L 80K mi
TGMO 0W-20
PP 0W-20/Fram Ultra filter(spring/summer)


Re: Toyota 2GR-FE TGMO with Particle Count [Re: Patrick0525] #4753280
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Originally Posted By: Patrick0525
Yes, Toyota's maintenance schedule is synthetic oil+filter @10kmi but the oem filter looks like it is cellulose based. I suspect the oem filter can cannot achieve those particle count levels.


Any evidence to back that "i suspect " part up?

Last edited by car51; 05/10/18 05:03 PM.

09' Camry LE

ST 5w30 and TG 4386(filter on for second 5k run)
Re: Toyota 2GR-FE TGMO with Particle Count [Re: Patrick0525] #4753304
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I think you are way off on your calculations and optimism. It just doesn't work like you are saying about efficiency %. A ml is a very small amount of oil. 5 qts = 4732 ml. If the numbers are the same for the rest of the oil, unlikely, that's a lot of particles. Particles can be all sorts of things, many are harmless. The 23 number is not good at all. 2cents

www.precisionfiltration.com/products/PDF/Understanding%20ISO%20Codes.pdf

Re: Toyota 2GR-FE TGMO with Particle Count [Re: Patrick0525] #4753340
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Thanks for the link, goodtimes! That takes some of the mystery out. Upon perusing it, I agree. I also agree with car51's question.


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Re: Toyota 2GR-FE TGMO with Particle Count [Re: Patrick0525] #4753380
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I would really like to know how they perform their particle counts.


"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: Toyota 2GR-FE TGMO with Particle Count [Re: Patrick0525] #4753405
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Paper vs synthetic media, I used 'suspect' because companies like Wix, Fram, Amsoil, Mobil 1 have done testing, offer tiered priced synthetic products and then made their marketing claims.

I put my 23/27/12 on the dirty side.

Blackstone particle count


'14 Toyota Venza 3.5L 80K mi
TGMO 0W-20
PP 0W-20/Fram Ultra filter(spring/summer)



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