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2016 Focus DPS6 #4752898
05/10/18 10:08 AM
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racer12306 Offline OP
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I recently purchased a 2016 Focus with 38000 miles on it. It has the DPS6 transmission in it.

After it's warmed up it started doing a shudder on the 1-2 shift. Long story short, my mechanic shared TSB 16-0109 with me.

Has anyone had this service performed? Looks like it's covered under the powertrain warranty, but I haven't reached out to my dealer about it.


16 Ford Focus/2.0/6A
04 Dodge Neon SXT/2.0/MTX
17 Chrysler Pacifica/3.6/9A
Re: 2016 Focus DPS6 [Re: racer12306] #4752923
05/10/18 10:29 AM
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We have done a ton of them. Even with a new clutch, module, and programming it gets fixed around 20% of the time.


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Re: 2016 Focus DPS6 [Re: bdcardinal] #4752924
05/10/18 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
We have done a ton of them. Even with a new clutch, module, and programming it gets fixed around 20% of the time.


They fixed our leased Focus 3 times. The issue always returned. I'm not sure they have an actual lasting fix for it. Shame because otherwise it was such a great commuter car.


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Re: 2016 Focus DPS6 [Re: racer12306] #4752929
05/10/18 10:36 AM
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Last summer , We were used car shopping . That transmission is exactly why I crossed the Focus off the list of cars to consider , Best I could determine , the Fusion did not use that transmission .

Ended up purchasing a 2006 Buick Lacrosse with 37,000 miles . Very glad I did . :-)


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Re: 2016 Focus DPS6 [Re: HemiHawk] #4752934
05/10/18 10:39 AM
05/10/18 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted By: HemiHawk
Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
We have done a ton of them. Even with a new clutch, module, and programming it gets fixed around 20% of the time.


They fixed our leased Focus 3 times. The issue always returned. I'm not sure they have an actual lasting fix for it. Shame because otherwise it was such a great commuter car.


The permanent fix would be using an actual automatic transmission. I tell people looking at a newer Focus to get a manual.

The Fusion never used the Powershift transmission.


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Re: 2016 Focus DPS6 [Re: bdcardinal] #4752966
05/10/18 11:18 AM
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racer12306 Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
We have done a ton of them. Even with a new clutch, module, and programming it gets fixed around 20% of the time.


Thanks.

I was seeing rumblings of that searching around after the TSB was brought to my attention.

Have you seen any long term issues with these transmission?

It's also only an issue on light acceleration, is it mainly a matter of too much clutch slippage?

If it's covered under warranty, even if the odds are 20%, it's a free setup that returns me to "brand new."


16 Ford Focus/2.0/6A
04 Dodge Neon SXT/2.0/MTX
17 Chrysler Pacifica/3.6/9A
Re: 2016 Focus DPS6 [Re: HemiHawk] #4752969
05/10/18 11:20 AM
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racer12306 Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: HemiHawk
Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
We have done a ton of them. Even with a new clutch, module, and programming it gets fixed around 20% of the time.


They fixed our leased Focus 3 times. The issue always returned. I'm not sure they have an actual lasting fix for it. Shame because otherwise it was such a great commuter car.


It definitely is. I'm already seeing fuel economy that rivals, beats my 2004 Neon with a stick. Even took the family for the weekend on a trip in it and returned 40mpg.


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04 Dodge Neon SXT/2.0/MTX
17 Chrysler Pacifica/3.6/9A
Re: 2016 Focus DPS6 [Re: racer12306] #4753060
05/10/18 12:39 PM
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From what I understand, probably the only thing currently available that is worse than the PowerShift transmission is Nissan's CVT. Both are terrible and should be avoided. It's gotten less bad over time, and is being discontinued when they stop making the Focus and Fiesta and move production of the Focus to China. The manual transmission in that car is supposed to be great. Lots of info on PowerShift is available of Focus forums. This PowerShift transmission is one of the reasons why I still drive my 22 year old Escort with it's original F-4EAT automatic transmission even at around 248K miles.

Check out the pricing on transmission fluid for that car:
https://www.amazon.com/Genuine-Ford-XT-11-QDC-Clutch-Transmission/dp/B00BNVK974/
Of course you only need 2 of these, and the aftermarket version is 1/2 the price.

Re: 2016 Focus DPS6 [Re: racer12306] #4753141
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Is it possible to swap in the regular 6-speed automatic from the 1.0T?

Re: 2016 Focus DPS6 [Re: bdcardinal] #4753193
05/10/18 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
Originally Posted By: HemiHawk
Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
We have done a ton of them. Even with a new clutch, module, and programming it gets fixed around 20% of the time.


They fixed our leased Focus 3 times. The issue always returned. I'm not sure they have an actual lasting fix for it. Shame because otherwise it was such a great commuter car.


The permanent fix would be using an actual automatic transmission. I tell people looking at a newer Focus to get a manual.

The Fusion never used the Powershift transmission.
Advice from the master !!!


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Re: 2016 Focus DPS6 [Re: slacktide_bitog] #4753194
05/10/18 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted By: slacktide_bitog
Is it possible to swap in the regular 6-speed automatic from the 1.0T?


That's a good question. I don't have an answer, but it is a good question.


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Re: 2016 Focus DPS6 [Re: racer12306] #4753198
05/10/18 03:21 PM
05/10/18 03:21 PM
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Santa Barbara, CA
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Originally Posted By: racer12306
Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
We have done a ton of them. Even with a new clutch, module, and programming it gets fixed around 20% of the time.


Thanks.

I was seeing rumblings of that searching around after the TSB was brought to my attention.

Have you seen any long term issues with these transmission?

It's also only an issue on light acceleration, is it mainly a matter of too much clutch slippage?

If it's covered under warranty, even if the odds are 20%, it's a free setup that returns me to "brand new."


From what I have been able to gather it is mostly on acceleration. The clutch assembly does not tolerate any type of moisture well, being a dry clutch and all. To complicate matters Ford had issues with the input shaft seals leaking, which obviously did not help things any. It is pretty much like riding with someone learning to drive a manual transmission, once they get going it is ok. We have seen some need the actuators, a couple need internal work, and we have replaced a few at higher miles.


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1995 Ford Mustang GT

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Re: 2016 Focus DPS6 [Re: bdcardinal] #4754265
05/11/18 01:18 PM
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Baltimore, MD
racer12306 Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
Originally Posted By: racer12306
Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
We have done a ton of them. Even with a new clutch, module, and programming it gets fixed around 20% of the time.


Thanks.

I was seeing rumblings of that searching around after the TSB was brought to my attention.

Have you seen any long term issues with these transmission?

It's also only an issue on light acceleration, is it mainly a matter of too much clutch slippage?

If it's covered under warranty, even if the odds are 20%, it's a free setup that returns me to "brand new."


From what I have been able to gather it is mostly on acceleration. The clutch assembly does not tolerate any type of moisture well, being a dry clutch and all. To complicate matters Ford had issues with the input shaft seals leaking, which obviously did not help things any. It is pretty much like riding with someone learning to drive a manual transmission, once they get going it is ok. We have seen some need the actuators, a couple need internal work, and we have replaced a few at higher miles.


Thanks. I appreciate your input.

Guess I made the wrong decision in buying a Focus, but it's mine now and it'll be driven until it's dead.

Now, when we're talking moisture, are we talking moisture you can see (such as the leaking input seal) or are we talking high humidity causes these problems.

Fortunately, my car doesn't see a lot of acceleration as it drives on the highway a lot.


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04 Dodge Neon SXT/2.0/MTX
17 Chrysler Pacifica/3.6/9A
Re: 2016 Focus DPS6 [Re: racer12306] #4754336
05/11/18 02:48 PM
05/11/18 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted By: racer12306
Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
Originally Posted By: racer12306
Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
We have done a ton of them. Even with a new clutch, module, and programming it gets fixed around 20% of the time.


Thanks.

I was seeing rumblings of that searching around after the TSB was brought to my attention.

Have you seen any long term issues with these transmission?

It's also only an issue on light acceleration, is it mainly a matter of too much clutch slippage?

If it's covered under warranty, even if the odds are 20%, it's a free setup that returns me to "brand new."


From what I have been able to gather it is mostly on acceleration. The clutch assembly does not tolerate any type of moisture well, being a dry clutch and all. To complicate matters Ford had issues with the input shaft seals leaking, which obviously did not help things any. It is pretty much like riding with someone learning to drive a manual transmission, once they get going it is ok. We have seen some need the actuators, a couple need internal work, and we have replaced a few at higher miles.


Thanks. I appreciate your input.

Guess I made the wrong decision in buying a Focus, but it's mine now and it'll be driven until it's dead.

Now, when we're talking moisture, are we talking moisture you can see (such as the leaking input seal) or are we talking high humidity causes these problems.

Fortunately, my car doesn't see a lot of acceleration as it drives on the highway a lot.


Transmission fluid mostly.


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Re: 2016 Focus DPS6 [Re: racer12306] #4754593
05/11/18 08:41 PM
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Got a great price on a 14, then researched the PowerShi*t. Oops.

At 70k, it certainly likes to shudder and it's odd hearing all the clicking of the shift/clutch hardware. The bellhousing is dry so it's just going to get driven.

Otherwise it's a great car.

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