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2010 Traverse 3.6L/ 5,026 VWB #4752146
05/09/18 03:04 PM
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Los Angeles,CA
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Was curious about the iron levels to see if my timing chain is wearing.
I've always suspected that higher iron #'s, points to timing chain wear. (any truth to that?)

How about the Magnesium? Big jump ?
This engine has used nothing but Valvoline Conventional 5W-30

Though I have had to add more makeup oil in the 5,000 intervals.




Re: 2010 Traverse 3.6L/ 5,026 VWB [Re: rbarrios] #4752156
05/09/18 03:24 PM
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Magnesium-based detergents are fairly common in motor oils, but I'm honestly surprised to see it in VWB.
Lots of synths and blends that went from dexos1 to dexos1 Gen 2 licenses showed decreases in calcium levels along with increases in magnesium levels...some flavors of M1 have used mixes of calcium and magnesium detergents for several years, though.


2014 Forester XT, 95000 miles
Last Change;
M1 0W30 AFE d1G2
Tokyo Roki 15208AA170 filter
Re: 2010 Traverse 3.6L/ 5,026 VWB [Re: Virtus_Probi] #4752158
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Originally Posted By: Virtus_Probi
Magnesium-based detergents are fairly common in motor oils, but I'm honestly surprised to see it in VWB.
Lots of synths and blends that went from dexos1 to dexos1 Gen 2 licenses showed decreases in calcium levels along with increases in magnesium levels...some flavors of M1 have used mixes of calcium and magnesium detergents for several years, though.


Which is why i dont use anything DEXOS in my 9 year old car


09' Camry LE

ST 5w30 and TG 4386(filter on for second 5k run)
Re: 2010 Traverse 3.6L/ 5,026 VWB [Re: rbarrios] #4752162
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I'd say this is a good report otherwise


09' Camry LE

ST 5w30 and TG 4386(filter on for second 5k run)
Re: 2010 Traverse 3.6L/ 5,026 VWB [Re: rbarrios] #4752163
05/09/18 03:29 PM
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Wear number aren't bad, but I'd worry about the steady increase in oil consumption a bit.

I would try a thicker oil for an interval, just to see what happens. Or a high-mileage one.


2010 Kia Soul 2U - 2.0L I-4, auto; 138k miles.
M1 EP 10W-30; OEM Kia filter.
Re: 2010 Traverse 3.6L/ 5,026 VWB [Re: rbarrios] #4752189
05/09/18 04:12 PM
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It would appear that your most recent fill of VWB was formulater to meet the new SN+ API Spec which would explain the lowest Sodium and Calcium reported on the report, and the highest Magnesium, Zinc and Phosphorus. Looks like a different oil all together, likely because it is. Overall nice report.


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Re: 2010 Traverse 3.6L/ 5,026 VWB [Re: rbarrios] #4752224
05/09/18 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted By: rbarrios
Latest.
Was curious about the iron levels to see if my timing chain is wearing.
I've always suspected that higher iron #'s, points to timing chain wear. (any truth to that?)

How about the Magnesium? Big jump ?
This engine has used nothing but Valvoline Conventional 5W-30

Though I have had to add more makeup oil in the 5,000 intervals.






I thought that 2010 was one of the years that those engine ate timing chains due to bad design and metallurgy? Have your been replaced? My 2013 traverse was still hard on oil but they had fixed the timing chain issues by then.


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Re: 2010 Traverse 3.6L/ 5,026 VWB [Re: rbarrios] #4752307
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I don't understand how your vehicle has gotten to the point that you have to add 2 quarts in a 5k interval. Your TBN looked ok for a 5K interval in the first UOA. Maybe your riding style (hwy vs city) has changed, or you didn't change the oil after these UOAs? I'm confused


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Re: 2010 Traverse 3.6L/ 5,026 VWB [Re: Brian553] #4752319
05/09/18 06:18 PM
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Time for some Maxlife to see if that helps with consumption. Or at a minimum top it off with Maxlife. Since it's trending up. Also replace the pcv valve(s).

Re: 2010 Traverse 3.6L/ 5,026 VWB [Re: rbarrios] #4752362
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That iron isnít high enough to indicate much timing chain wear IMHO.


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Re: 2010 Traverse 3.6L/ 5,026 VWB [Re: SatinSilver] #4752372
05/09/18 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted By: SatinSilver
Time for some Maxlife to see if that helps with consumption. Or at a minimum top it off with Maxlife. Since it's trending up. Also replace the pcv valve(s).
Great advice. Its old enough to check the PCV and benefit from Valv MaxLife.
Originally Posted By: double vanos
That iron isnít high enough to indicate much timing chain wear IMHO.
Very true. This engine is beating the Universal Average by a lot!

Re: 2010 Traverse 3.6L/ 5,026 VWB [Re: oil_film_movies] #4752375
05/09/18 07:20 PM
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Ontario, Canada
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Originally Posted By: oil_film_movies
Very true. This engine is beating the Universal Average by a lot!


With the massive amount of make-up oil, that's to be expected.


2018 RAM 1500 Big Horn EcoDiesel
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Re: 2010 Traverse 3.6L/ 5,026 VWB [Re: FlyNavyP3] #4752457
05/09/18 09:11 PM
05/09/18 09:11 PM
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Los Angeles,CA
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Originally Posted By: FlyNavyP3
It would appear that your most recent fill of VWB was formulater to meet the new SN+ API Spec which would explain the lowest Sodium and Calcium reported on the report, and the highest Magnesium, Zinc and Phosphorus. Looks like a different oil all together, likely because it is. Overall nice report.


Did this change take place about a year ago?
The bottle- had a decal on it- from when I picked it up at WalMart. (buy online- pick up in store).
It was almost 1 yr to the day of the oil change.

Several days ago I picked up a new VWB.. and the bottle has been changed a bit. Still white.

Re: 2010 Traverse 3.6L/ 5,026 VWB [Re: jhellwig] #4752458
05/09/18 09:15 PM
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rbarrios Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: jhellwig
Originally Posted By: rbarrios
Latest.
Was curious about the iron levels to see if my timing chain is wearing.
I've always suspected that higher iron #'s, points to timing chain wear. (any truth to that?)

How about the Magnesium? Big jump ?
This engine has used nothing but Valvoline Conventional 5W-30

Though I have had to add more makeup oil in the 5,000 intervals.






I thought that 2010 was one of the years that those engine ate timing chains due to bad design and metallurgy? Have your been replaced? My 2013 traverse was still hard on oil but they had fixed the timing chain issues by then.


Im still on the factory timing chains.
2009s were the ones that were really bad.
2010s supposedly had some tweak- as they were not part of chain warranty extension to 10 yrs/120,000.

Re: 2010 Traverse 3.6L/ 5,026 VWB [Re: Brian553] #4752475
05/09/18 09:25 PM
05/09/18 09:25 PM
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rbarrios Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: Brian553
I don't understand how your vehicle has gotten to the point that you have to add 2 quarts in a 5k interval. Your TBN looked ok for a 5K interval in the first UOA. Maybe your riding style (hwy vs city) has changed, or you didn't change the oil after these UOAs? I'm confused


Im curious about this too.
My driving has changed in the last year or so.
My daily commute was 18 miles in the AM, 18 miles in the PM. Doing 55 on the hwy on good days.

Now- its about 5 miles in the am- hop on the train.... 7 miles in the PM (pick up kids from school).
So its a short drive in the morning with more red lights to the train station- and engine does not get as hot.


The other thing Ive been pondering-- and something I read...
Is that carbon could have been loosened up and ended up in the pistons-- and scratched the walls.
In the last year- I did do one of those Carbon cleanings where you let it soak for an hour and then drive.

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