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Change interval for Fram Ultra on lawn tractor #4751265
05/08/18 02:26 PM
05/08/18 02:26 PM
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Ceciltucky Maryland
Oldtom Offline OP
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I have an older Craftsman mower with 17 HP Kohler engine. I started using a Fram Ultra XG3614 in place of the tiny, overpriced Kohler oil filter. I use the mower about 30 hours per year and change the oil yearly. How many years could I safely run the Ultra before changing?

Thanks in advance for any advice.

Re: Change interval for Fram Ultra on lawn tractor [Re: Oldtom] #4751269
05/08/18 02:30 PM
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Someone please chime in with how many hours on a car with 20000 miles!

I am going to predict that the filter will outlast the engine in normal use unless it gets unusually hot.


03 Jetta AWP/09A 205k kms
Edge 0W40 + Mann 719/30
Re: Change interval for Fram Ultra on lawn tractor [Re: Oldtom] #4751271
05/08/18 02:31 PM
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I'd change it one time a year you have a lot less oil in that engine than in a car engine it has a lot of cleaning to do. I would have just gone with a Tough Guard!

Last edited by JohnnyJohnson; 05/08/18 02:32 PM.

2004 Corolla 128335
Out: VML 5w-30 TG4967 OCI 5007 Miles
In: EDGE EP 5W-30 Bosch 3311 122537 7-18-18
2006 Duramax 74615
Out: T6 5W-40 M1-303
In: T6 5W-40 XG9100 73705 4-22-18
Re: Change interval for Fram Ultra on lawn tractor [Re: Oldtom] #4751282
05/08/18 02:41 PM
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I have a similar John Deere with a pressure fed engine. I change the oil once every two years and do the filter at the same time.

However, it's now staying so clean (WIX filter) and a history of annual changes (in the past), that I'm going to leave the filter on longer - every other time, becasue it's inverted and makes such a mess to change ... So for me, that will be every 4 years.

I have run the same oil and filters on seldom used trucks for up to five years at a time w/o incident. Those trucks got more hours than your tractor per year.

It's a smaller engine with a smaller sump, but it may not be consuming much oil, even over the course of the year ... So, if your consumption is low, and your oils stays clean (looking), there is no anti-freeze to worry about, so changing is not a big deal. No temp control other than air flow, so it burns off all the blow-by fuel load when it's hot which happens fairly quickly.


Formerly in marine engineering. In an earlier life I owned my own petroleum tank truck, and hauled for the majors and independent's.
Re: Change interval for Fram Ultra on lawn tractor [Re: maxdustington] #4751283
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Originally Posted By: maxdustington
Someone please chime in with how many hours on a car with 20000 miles!

I am going to predict that the filter will outlast the engine in normal use unless it gets unusually hot.


20,000 miles / 60 miles (assuming an average speed of 60) = 333.333 hours.

60 mph on average is very generous so the numbers are conservative.


03 Jeep WJ 4.0 202k Edge 10w40 HM Fram XG16
02 Volvo S60 2.4T 186k M1 0w40 Mahle OX149D
97 Chevy Blazer 4.3 153k Synpower 5w30 Supertech ST3980 (Ecore)

Re: Change interval for Fram Ultra on lawn tractor [Re: Oldtom] #4751303
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I'm thinking you could just run it forever.


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Re: Change interval for Fram Ultra on lawn tractor [Re: rooflessVW] #4751335
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Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
I'm thinking you could just run it forever.


+1 And it would not make sense to change it yearly, however, how would a Bitgoer deal with that? How about once every 4 years. You could remind yourself when it's an election year change the tractor filter!

LOL

Last edited by Snagglefoot; 05/08/18 03:49 PM.

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Re: Change interval for Fram Ultra on lawn tractor [Re: Oldtom] #4751339
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$3 Tearolators are my OPE choice.


2013 F150 5.0, PUP 10W-30, Wix 57502
2010 Camry 2.5, GTX 5W-20, Fram Ultra XG9972
Re: Change interval for Fram Ultra on lawn tractor [Re: Oldtom] #4751364
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Every year if you are ocd. In reality every 3 to 5 years would be fine.


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Re: Change interval for Fram Ultra on lawn tractor [Re: dlundblad] #4751374
05/08/18 04:26 PM
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I do highway driving to work and my car displays an averages of 37 mph. That's equivalent of 540 hrs. But my car doesn't run at the OPE max of 3600 rpm but does have an oil capacity of 6.4 qts.

Last edited by Patrick0525; 05/08/18 04:50 PM.

'14 Toyota Venza 3.5L 80K mi
TGMO 0W-20
PP 0W-20/Fram Ultra filter(spring/summer)


Re: Change interval for Fram Ultra on lawn tractor [Re: Oldtom] #4751397
05/08/18 04:53 PM
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Yup 2years ago i put a fl400s and pp5w30 in my 24hp craftsman and i look dissapointedly at the dipstick every coup,e months to see honey golden oil clean as a whistle.

Oh well leave it in there until it starts to not feeling slippery between my fingers. Indont thnk it will ever get dark. I cut in 100 degree texas heat too for half the season.

Re: Change interval for Fram Ultra on lawn tractor [Re: Oldtom] #4751414
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I think 150 hours is a reasonable time. Ed


CX5 Touring 2.5L :-)
Re: Change interval for Fram Ultra on lawn tractor [Re: Oldtom] #4751432
05/08/18 05:46 PM
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I change the MC FL 910 every 1 1/2 years when I change oil in my Craftsman.


2007 Ford Fusion 236,000 miles
M1 0-20 EP
2017 Ford Fusion 62K
M1 0-20 EP
10,000 mile OCIs on both engines
M1 ATF and Valvoline LV
M1 10-30 in all OPE
MC filters

Re: Change interval for Fram Ultra on lawn tractor [Re: Oldtom] #4751446
05/08/18 06:11 PM
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Rand Offline
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Oil is cheap and I like my deere tractors they usually get 1-2 changes a year

only 2 of the 4 have oil filters though.. which makes a difference.


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Re: Change interval for Fram Ultra on lawn tractor [Re: Oldtom] #4751454
05/08/18 06:23 PM
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It maybe depends on how often you change the oil. In my B&S 24 HP engine, I use it about 25 hours a year and do an oil and standard filter change every 50 hours. There's little reason you can't go longer with an Ultra even though it will retain a small amount of used oil.


2017 Honda Odyssey SE, 17K
2013 Honda Accord LX, 58K
2007 Honda Ridgeline RTS, 89K
2007 Infiniti M35, 107K
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