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#4751265 - 05/08/18 03:26 PM Change interval for Fram Ultra on lawn tractor
Oldtom Offline


Registered: 07/05/14
Posts: 356
Loc: Cecil County Maryland
I have an older Craftsman mower with 17 HP Kohler engine. I started using a Fram Ultra XG3614 in place of the tiny, overpriced Kohler oil filter. I use the mower about 30 hours per year and change the oil yearly. How many years could I safely run the Ultra before changing?

Thanks in advance for any advice.

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#4751269 - 05/08/18 03:30 PM Re: Change interval for Fram Ultra on lawn tractor [Re: Oldtom]
maxdustington Offline


Registered: 01/21/17
Posts: 1021
Loc: Toronna
Someone please chime in with how many hours on a car with 20000 miles!

I am going to predict that the filter will outlast the engine in normal use unless it gets unusually hot.
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#4751271 - 05/08/18 03:31 PM Re: Change interval for Fram Ultra on lawn tractor [Re: Oldtom]
JohnnyJohnson Offline


Registered: 10/22/09
Posts: 3010
Loc: Wet side WA
I'd change it one time a year you have a lot less oil in that engine than in a car engine it has a lot of cleaning to do. I would have just gone with a Tough Guard!


Edited by JohnnyJohnson (05/08/18 03:32 PM)
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#4751282 - 05/08/18 03:41 PM Re: Change interval for Fram Ultra on lawn tractor [Re: Oldtom]
BrocLuno Offline


Registered: 09/06/15
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I have a similar John Deere with a pressure fed engine. I change the oil once every two years and do the filter at the same time.

However, it's now staying so clean (WIX filter) and a history of annual changes (in the past), that I'm going to leave the filter on longer - every other time, becasue it's inverted and makes such a mess to change ... So for me, that will be every 4 years.

I have run the same oil and filters on seldom used trucks for up to five years at a time w/o incident. Those trucks got more hours than your tractor per year.

It's a smaller engine with a smaller sump, but it may not be consuming much oil, even over the course of the year ... So, if your consumption is low, and your oils stays clean (looking), there is no anti-freeze to worry about, so changing is not a big deal. No temp control other than air flow, so it burns off all the blow-by fuel load when it's hot which happens fairly quickly.
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#4751283 - 05/08/18 03:41 PM Re: Change interval for Fram Ultra on lawn tractor [Re: maxdustington]
dlundblad Offline


Registered: 09/30/13
Posts: 10319
Loc: Indiana
Originally Posted By: maxdustington
Someone please chime in with how many hours on a car with 20000 miles!

I am going to predict that the filter will outlast the engine in normal use unless it gets unusually hot.


20,000 miles / 60 miles (assuming an average speed of 60) = 333.333 hours.

60 mph on average is very generous so the numbers are conservative.
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#4751303 - 05/08/18 04:06 PM Re: Change interval for Fram Ultra on lawn tractor [Re: Oldtom]
rooflessVW Offline


Registered: 12/24/11
Posts: 4575
Loc: North Carolina
I'm thinking you could just run it forever.
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#4751335 - 05/08/18 04:48 PM Re: Change interval for Fram Ultra on lawn tractor [Re: rooflessVW]
Snagglefoot Offline


Registered: 12/31/17
Posts: 2069
Loc: SE British Columbia, Canada
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
I'm thinking you could just run it forever.


+1 And it would not make sense to change it yearly, however, how would a Bitgoer deal with that? How about once every 4 years. You could remind yourself when it's an election year change the tractor filter!

LOL


Edited by Snagglefoot (05/08/18 04:49 PM)

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#4751339 - 05/08/18 04:52 PM Re: Change interval for Fram Ultra on lawn tractor [Re: Oldtom]
hatt Offline


Registered: 01/03/12
Posts: 4540
Loc: Florida
$3 Tearolators are my OPE choice.
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#4751364 - 05/08/18 05:15 PM Re: Change interval for Fram Ultra on lawn tractor [Re: Oldtom]
Zee09 Offline


Registered: 05/05/18
Posts: 635
Loc: Tri State Conservative
Every year if you are ocd. In reality every 3 to 5 years would be fine.
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#4751374 - 05/08/18 05:26 PM Re: Change interval for Fram Ultra on lawn tractor [Re: dlundblad]
Patrick0525 Offline


Registered: 07/23/14
Posts: 216
Loc: PA
I do highway driving to work and my car displays an averages of 37 mph. That's equivalent of 540 hrs. But my car doesn't run at the OPE max of 3600 rpm but does have an oil capacity of 6.4 qts.


Edited by Patrick0525 (05/08/18 05:50 PM)
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#4751397 - 05/08/18 05:53 PM Re: Change interval for Fram Ultra on lawn tractor [Re: Oldtom]
danez_yoda Offline


Registered: 07/18/09
Posts: 540
Loc: texas
Yup 2years ago i put a fl400s and pp5w30 in my 24hp craftsman and i look dissapointedly at the dipstick every coup,e months to see honey golden oil clean as a whistle.

Oh well leave it in there until it starts to not feeling slippery between my fingers. Indont thnk it will ever get dark. I cut in 100 degree texas heat too for half the season.

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#4751414 - 05/08/18 06:20 PM Re: Change interval for Fram Ultra on lawn tractor [Re: Oldtom]
Eddie Offline


Registered: 12/07/03
Posts: 9724
Loc: Florida, Cape Coral
I think 150 hours is a reasonable time. Ed
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#4751432 - 05/08/18 06:46 PM Re: Change interval for Fram Ultra on lawn tractor [Re: Oldtom]
tig1 Offline


Registered: 01/03/09
Posts: 13763
Loc: Illinois
I change the MC FL 910 every 1 1/2 years when I change oil in my Craftsman.
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#4751446 - 05/08/18 07:11 PM Re: Change interval for Fram Ultra on lawn tractor [Re: Oldtom]
Rand Offline


Registered: 08/20/03
Posts: 12808
Loc: NE,Ohio
Oil is cheap and I like my deere tractors they usually get 1-2 changes a year

only 2 of the 4 have oil filters though.. which makes a difference.
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#4751454 - 05/08/18 07:23 PM Re: Change interval for Fram Ultra on lawn tractor [Re: Oldtom]
NormanBuntz Offline


Registered: 07/27/13
Posts: 2199
Loc: Outer Banks, NC
It maybe depends on how often you change the oil. In my B&S 24 HP engine, I use it about 25 hours a year and do an oil and standard filter change every 50 hours. There's little reason you can't go longer with an Ultra even though it will retain a small amount of used oil.
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