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#4749537 - 05/06/18 06:17 PM Fram EG with no ADBV
Warstud Offline


Registered: 09/02/05
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Loc: MIchigan
While I was filling up my oil filter the oil started overflowing but quickly drained into the inlet holes making this filter suspicious. So I held it upside down and oil drained out of the inlet holes....yep something isn't right. I can't say for sure if the Fram Extra Guard is missing a ADBV or not but it's definately not functioning correctly. Luckily I don't need one on my truck. But I thought I'd share this bit of info along to you all.

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#4749570 - 05/06/18 06:57 PM Re: Fram EG with no ADBV [Re: Warstud]
CT8 Offline


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Loc: Idaho
What is the application?
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#4749572 - 05/06/18 06:59 PM Re: Fram EG with no ADBV [Re: Warstud]
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Isn't the ADBV supposed to keep oil in the filter, rather than keep oil that drained into the drain holes in the filter? That oil never made it past the ADBV in the first place.

As far as the filter filling up quickly, well, that's your media not allowing flow without pressure. I bet a C&P will show it normal on the inside.
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#4749600 - 05/06/18 07:57 PM Re: Fram EG with no ADBV [Re: Warstud]
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What filter number?

I'll see if I have one and try to duplicate the test.
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#4749614 - 05/06/18 08:16 PM Re: Fram EG with no ADBV [Re: Linctex]
Warstud Offline


Registered: 09/02/05
Posts: 5287
Loc: MIchigan
Originally Posted By: Linctex
What filter number?


PH9837

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#4749622 - 05/06/18 08:22 PM Re: Fram EG with no ADBV [Re: JLTD]
Zee09 Offline


Registered: 05/05/18
Posts: 141
Loc: W. Palm
Originally Posted By: JLTD
Isn't the ADBV supposed to keep oil in the filter, rather than keep oil that drained into the drain holes in the filter? That oil never made it past the ADBV in the first place.

As far as the filter filling up quickly, well, that's your media not allowing flow without pressure. I bet a C&P will show it normal on the inside.


+1

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#4749659 - 05/06/18 08:57 PM Re: Fram EG with no ADBV [Re: Warstud]
mobilaltima Offline


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The PH and TG9837 do not come with an ADBV, only the ultra. its for a GM application
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#4749679 - 05/06/18 09:13 PM Re: Fram EG with no ADBV [Re: Warstud]
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#4749762 - 05/06/18 10:51 PM Re: Fram EG with no ADBV [Re: Warstud]
ZeeOSix Offline


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You should be able to see the ADBV if it has one by looking into the base plate inlet holes.

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#4749777 - 05/06/18 11:11 PM Re: Fram EG with no ADBV [Re: Warstud]
slacktide_bitog Offline


Registered: 03/20/08
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Loc: USA
Wix does use an ADBV in their counterpart 51522

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#4749836 - 05/07/18 02:52 AM Re: Fram EG with no ADBV [Re: Warstud]
Kibitoshin Offline


Registered: 04/19/16
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Loc: Kaiōshinkai
The Ultra versions do have a ADBV for some reason.




If you want a Fram EG with a ADBV use pn 3506 or 3675.
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#4749842 - 05/07/18 03:03 AM Re: Fram EG with no ADBV [Re: Warstud]
Triple_Se7en Offline


Registered: 12/04/04
Posts: 8648
Loc: 1/2 hr. north of Detroit
GM has a number of engines that use a vertical-hung filter. No ADBV needed and the bypass is in the engine. That's why I avoid filters with a spring inside, like Wix filters come with, Don't need any spring or ADBV.

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#4749875 - 05/07/18 05:53 AM Re: Fram EG with no ADBV [Re: Triple_Se7en]
Sayjac Offline


Registered: 10/13/08
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Loc: The Old North State
Quote:
GM has a number of engines that use a vertical-hung filter. No ADBV needed and the bypass is in the engine. That's why I avoid filters with a spring inside, like Wix filters come with, Don't need any spring or ADBV.

Seen similar comment twice recently now, so 'IMO' clarification is needed.

First, Wix uses no thread end or dome end bypass (spring) in applications for 'older GM' and others that have block bypass. So there's no "spring inside" to avoid on those applications. The only spring used is the compression spring which in Wix's case happens to be a coil spring, as opposed to the leaf/flat spring used by Fram and others. Compression springs are required and used on all applications.

Second, yes 'Fram' chooses to use no adbv in this application. Been discussed here before. However, many other manufacturers of filters for this same application choose to use an adbv. Using an adbv even where not specifically required hurts nothing. Not true of vice versa. The FU shown is but one example, Wix/Napa Gold another. And iirc, the ACDelco OEM replacement filter(s) for older GM all spec/use an adbv. This is true, even as some of the GM factory filters use none.

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#4749898 - 05/07/18 06:36 AM Re: Fram EG with no ADBV [Re: Warstud]
Motorking Offline


Registered: 02/16/10
Posts: 394
Loc: Detroit
That model does nit have a adbv because the OE and OES filters do not have them.
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#4749918 - 05/07/18 07:10 AM Re: Fram EG with no ADBV [Re: Sayjac]
Sayjac Offline


Registered: 10/13/08
Posts: 12170
Loc: The Old North State
As noted previously, the ACDelco OEM equivalent to the topic filter, the PF61 and PF61E both use an adbv as confirmed in the links.

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4664393/PF61_classic_cut_open

http://wiki.hurstolds.org/AC_Delco_PF61E_19210285.htm


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