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Plane Crash In Scottsdale Kills 6 #4747382
05/04/18 08:33 AM
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Too heavy. Too low. Too slow. Too steep of a bank angle. Inexperienced pilot flying at night. What could possibly go wrong?


Re: Plane Crash In Scottsdale Kills 6 [Re: billt460] #4747420
05/04/18 09:11 AM
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Everything was O.K. until the plane hit the ground. It looks like one side of the plane quit flying.


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Re: Plane Crash In Scottsdale Kills 6 [Re: billt460] #4747540
05/04/18 11:44 AM
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Similar to this, except for the fact it was running fine right up until it hit the ground.


Re: Plane Crash In Scottsdale Kills 6 [Re: billt460] #4747560
05/04/18 11:59 AM
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They're falling from the sky. Did you see this F16 that made an emergency landing at Lake Havasu and yard saled the jet off the end of the runway.

Interesting audio of first responders: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC4U_DyWECQ

How do you embed vids?


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Re: Plane Crash In Scottsdale Kills 6 [Re: billt460] #4747576
05/04/18 12:24 PM
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I hope it didn't damage the TPC golf course.


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Re: Plane Crash In Scottsdale Kills 6 [Re: NormanBuntz] #4747623
05/04/18 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted By: NormanBuntz
I hope it didn't damage the TPC golf course.


I know it is bad but that was my first thought also.


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Re: Plane Crash In Scottsdale Kills 6 [Re: bdcardinal] #4747625
05/04/18 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
Originally Posted By: NormanBuntz
I hope it didn't damage the TPC golf course.


I know it is bad but that was my first thought also.


This must be an incredible golf course.


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Re: Plane Crash In Scottsdale Kills 6 [Re: AZjeff] #4747630
05/04/18 01:16 PM
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Horrific crash ... at least it was pretty much instantaneous.

Originally Posted By: AZjeff
How do you embed vids?


Use the icon and option the red arrows are pointing to. Paste the YouTube like into the pop-up that shows when you hit the YouTube option.


Re: Plane Crash In Scottsdale Kills 6 [Re: billt460] #4747660
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Excellent! Thanks!



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Re: Plane Crash In Scottsdale Kills 6 [Re: billt460] #4747714
05/04/18 03:00 PM
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Probably Spartan trained. banana banana banana

Re: Plane Crash In Scottsdale Kills 6 [Re: billt460] #4747785
05/04/18 04:39 PM
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What's wrong with you guys? Nothing lighthearted about a plane crash.


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Re: Plane Crash In Scottsdale Kills 6 [Re: billt460] #4747799
05/04/18 04:54 PM
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Pilots make mistakes...

Re: Plane Crash In Scottsdale Kills 6 [Re: AZjeff] #4747824
05/04/18 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted By: AZjeff
Excellent! Thanks!

Probably costs more t0 find and train a qualified pilot than to buy a new plane. Quite a skill.


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Re: Plane Crash In Scottsdale Kills 6 [Re: billt460] #4747933
05/04/18 07:28 PM
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Even when considering the cost of their training, pay, and benefits, a fighter pilot is lot cheaper than the plane these days.

In World War Two, the pilot was much more expensive.

However, even though the economics have changed, the training has become much more lengthy and involved. It takes three years to get a fighter pilot to the point that they can safely fly and employ the airplane.

Over a decade to get to the point of being truly skilled with it.

That is part of why the USAF and USN are so short of pilots right now - they're leaving faster than they can be replaced.


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Re: Plane Crash In Scottsdale Kills 6 [Re: Mr Nice] #4747936
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Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Pilots make mistakes...


Sadly, this will always be true.

Even the very best pilots make tiny mistakes that they continually correct...and they're able to maintain generous safety margins.

But an uncorrected mistake, particularly a big mistake, in aviation can quickly lead to disaster.


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