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#4744089 - 05/01/18 02:53 AM The Repair Project II: engine locked while drivin
Superflan Offline


Registered: 04/28/15
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Loc: Reunion Island
Hi folks,

2 years ago, I was driving my MILs car, a 1.4 NA petrol Peugeot 206. For the history, the car was before maintened often at some quick repair shops. Oil changes, timing belt...

I started doing maintenance on this car at 70000km, doing an oil change with a MANN filter and some 5W40 A3/B4 oil, and an air filter. drove the car regularly, more and more. Redlined sometimes, once a tank at least. then, oil and filter at 80000km, done spark plugs too. Car turned to be my daily driver then.

Around 90000km, I did another oil change (and filter), and this is where the bad things began (maybe). First, I used 5W30 C2 because I had some and the owners manual states that the engine can use it. Second, the oil filter cover was slightly damaged inside, maybe the bypass valve or something ? Third, maybe i was lugging the engine.

I Was driving smoothly on a light uphill, 3rd gear at 2000rpm, maybe half pressed gas pedal. The engine then lost power, shattered and stopped. From the beginning of the power loss, it took barely 10 seconds to stop. I tried to downshift and it was the end. When cranking using the starter, the engine couldnít rotate anymore. I got the car pulled home.

Days later, i accidentally noticed that cranking with starter motor was possible but sounds like thereís no compression, i fought from broken timing belt. I didnít investigate further, lack of time and motivation.

Now, Iím ready to start fixing it. Where do I start? Who wants to follow this journey?
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#4744090 - 05/01/18 02:55 AM Re: The Repair Project II: engine locked while drivin [Re: Superflan]
Superflan Offline


Registered: 04/28/15
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Iím thinking, either timing belt tensionner, or engine lubrication problem (oil overheat, oil starving by bad oil pump or plugged pickup, sludge in oil galleries...). Also, the engine was always running in the hot side of coolant temp gauge, so maybe plugged coolant radiator.


Edited by Superflan (05/01/18 02:57 AM)
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#4744096 - 05/01/18 03:42 AM Re: The Repair Project II: engine locked while drivin [Re: Superflan]
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I am thinking that it is timing related.
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#4744097 - 05/01/18 03:42 AM Re: The Repair Project II: engine locked while drivin [Re: Superflan]
Ducked Offline


Registered: 10/25/12
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I'm thinking if its a timing belt it probably broke, and if its an interference engine its probably wrecked.

(I can't imagine THE FRENCH would pass up a self-destruct opportunity like that when hardly anyone else does)

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#4744103 - 05/01/18 04:09 AM Re: The Repair Project II: engine locked while drivin [Re: Superflan]
Ducked Offline


Registered: 10/25/12
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I Googled it up. Timing belt and interference engine, and Usually bends the valves.

There are stories of people getting away with it, though that wouldn't be the way to bet.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicAdvice/comments/5mcu8b/peugeot_206_timing_belt/

http://www.peugeotforums.com/forums/206-35/206-1-1-timing-belt-152025/

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#4744111 - 05/01/18 05:00 AM Re: The Repair Project II: engine locked while drivin [Re: Superflan]
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Registered: 11/29/08
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Loc: Oshawa, Ontario Canada
Did you remove the timing belt covers yet? Post some pics when you do.

How old is the Peugeot?
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#4744125 - 05/01/18 05:43 AM Re: The Repair Project II: engine locked while drivin [Re: JC1]
Superflan Offline


Registered: 04/28/15
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Loc: Reunion Island
Originally Posted By: JC1
How old is the Peugeot?


2007 model year, average condition (before the engine went wrong).

I'll try to remove that timing belt housing. I just removed the top cover and actually the belt is still in one piece.

What makes me think that it's maybe a lubrication/local overheat problem is that the engine locked up when it happened, and freed up later.


Edited by Superflan (05/01/18 05:47 AM)
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#4744132 - 05/01/18 05:48 AM Re: The Repair Project II: engine locked while drivin [Re: Superflan]
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Are you getting blamed for any of this.
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#4744139 - 05/01/18 05:56 AM Re: The Repair Project II: engine locked while drivin [Re: Donald]
Superflan Offline


Registered: 04/28/15
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Loc: Reunion Island
Originally Posted By: Donald
Are you getting blamed for any of this.

More or less but I'm okay with it, because I know it would likely have happened whatsoever, and I managed to be towed home without much hassle, and without much money spended. I prefer this than MIL stuck with my kids, car broke, in the middle of a fast road... (worst situation)
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#4744141 - 05/01/18 05:59 AM Re: The Repair Project II: engine locked while drivin [Re: Superflan]
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Registered: 09/25/04
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You may get lucky. With the M 20 engine in the 528e, the damage is often confined to the valves and the head.
Pistons will be dented but survive. However, the age of the car, parts and labor, send the car to the junkyard.
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#4744149 - 05/01/18 06:09 AM Re: The Repair Project II: engine locked while drivin [Re: andyd]
Superflan Offline


Registered: 04/28/15
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Loc: Reunion Island
Originally Posted By: andyd
However, the age of the car, parts and labor, send the car to the junkyard.


In working condition, a used similar car costs no less than EUR 3000 here (USD 3600). Because I'll do most repair with my own hands, I think it's worth fixing. Of course, if I had money to spend, I would have sent the car to a junkyard and bought something more "suitable" (auto trans, more like a compact SUV).
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#4744181 - 05/01/18 06:54 AM Re: The Repair Project II: engine locked while drivin [Re: Superflan]
mk378 Offline


Registered: 09/27/15
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Loc: USA
Usually a timing belt fails by having several teeth come off at the spot that is engaged to the crankshaft. The outer part of the belt may appear intact, but the belt and cam will not move when cranking.

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#4744308 - 05/01/18 09:53 AM Re: The Repair Project II: engine locked while drivin [Re: Superflan]
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OP suspects engine seized and now spins. TB is intact.

Check oil, crank it, do compression test, go from there.


Edited by meep (05/01/18 09:54 AM)
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#4744309 - 05/01/18 09:55 AM Re: The Repair Project II: engine locked while drivin [Re: mk378]
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Registered: 09/06/15
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Originally Posted By: mk378
Usually a timing belt fails by having several teeth come off at the spot that is engaged to the crankshaft. The outer part of the belt may appear intact, but the belt and cam will not move when cranking.


+1

No matter what happened, if no, or low compression now, you have one or more bent valves. So the head will have to come off to see what really happened and get the compression back ... Can you get the pan/sump off with the engine in the car?

Once the head is off, if the pistons survived, I'd do a nice valve job on the head, shave 0.020 off the gasket surface, and if the pan will come off, roll in a new set of rod bearings. Prolly drop out the oil pump and check it for metal bits/scoring and "plate" the end cap.

Re-assemble and drive on. Make sure to epoxy a big plate magnet into the bottom of the pan (sump) so that any loose Fe metal bits get captured and sty out of circulation.

Take pictures along the way smile

Parts are a lot cheaper than a new car ...
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#4744327 - 05/01/18 10:22 AM Re: The Repair Project II: engine locked while drivin [Re: Superflan]
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Registered: 01/13/13
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Did you state how many miles / km are on the car ? At what miles / km does the owner's manual call for timing belt to be replaced ?

I have never worked on this brand of car , so just taking a guess it is a messed up timing belt , idler , tensioner , etc. .
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