Originally Posted By: SirTanon
Originally Posted By: 93cruiser
So 33.16 saved in one year. Or roughly .09 a day, nine cents. Now be honest here, do you really think you are going to see/notice the difference at the end of the year in your bank account? I doubt it, and this is why I don't see an advantage to running supertech.
Yes, I do think I'd notice the extra $33 in the bank account. I'd notice it's $33 more.. or at least I would, if I hadn't spent it on something else worthwhile, like the movie theater tickets, or beer, or steak that I mentioned above. I'm getting more value out of the money by spending it on something other than more expensive (and questionably more or less better) oil. I can have 4 OCIs of more expensive oil, or 4 OCIs of less expensive oil, and a couple of other perks.. I'll take the perks, especially when the actual benefit of just throwing that money into the more expensive oil is questionable.
-- Also, not me, but a person living in a super tight "shoe-string" budget, who barely makes it month to month, will definitely notice the extra $33. That's a gallon of milk every month that they can fit in their budget that they might not otherwise be able to.
Originally Posted By: 93cruiser
I think the advantage goes towards SPENDING the extra 33.16 per year on your vehicle. Both will work, but for 33.16 a year more in your case you could have the best offered vs the good offering. Vehicles are expensive, thousands of dollars. Why not just flip the dime per day and get a better product.
Rational supposition, but you still have not provided an ounce of
PROOF that the more expensive oil is actually 'better' for my engine. This thread was started by you, its premise expressed by you, therefore the burden is on YOU to prove your statements. You can prove an increased price for Mobil 1 over Supertech, you can even prove that Mobil 1 has (slightly) higher virgin TBN than Supertech, but you have not proven how that necessarily makes it "better" for the engine in my car than Supertech.
The burden is on YOU, since you made the initial statement.
Originally Posted By: 93cruiser
Walmart is not doing research and analysis on oil, but Mobil is.
You're probably right there... BUT I would wager that the companies Walmart PAYS to formulate their oil for them DO. If I remember right, at least historically, Walmart oils are made by Warren and Citgo, depending on location.
Originally Posted By: 93cruiser
I can't prove it
(interesting - or at least you have failed to so far) but if we had numbers on test results I think you would see Mobil performs better in testing than supertech.
Well, again, as I stated above, the burden of proof is ON YOU. Find them, prove it to me/us. Back up what you're trying to say.
Originally Posted By: 93cruiser
Meeting a spec is one thing, exceeding the spec is another. Why not exceed for .09 a day? Just asking.
...and how do you know that Supertech doesn't also exceed the spec? You do realize that BOTH of them could potentially do that. In fact, I'd wager they do. Have you looked at
the UOA on Supertech Synthetic lately? It's actually pretty darn good stuff.
Originally Posted By: 93cruiser
In my original post I thought I asked for a discussion as to why run a cheaper oil when the savings are not significant. I don't think I have ever said anyone was wrong to run it, just that it seems crazy to me.
Actually, you said:
I know it all adds up, but if you buy a car to keep it, why use toned down oil for basically no measurable savings?
Ok, so let me have it, tell me how I am wrong.
In this entire thread, we've been basically telling you how you are wrong. You invited exactly this, but despite the fact that tons of very smart, well-informed people, some of them industry experts, have told you why, you have not shown willingness to accept their statements. You have not budged one bit on it. Why invite us to tell you that, if you have already formed your immutable opinion?
Originally Posted By: 93cruiser
Also, me sending you 33 bucks vs spending an extra 33 bucks a year on my car is not the same. I gain nothing by sending you 33, but I do not buying supertech.
Your statement, initially was "The savings is basically nothing" - Clearly $33 is not nothing. My reasoning for making the statement regarding this was "if it's really 'nothing' to you, then clearly it would be 'nothing' to you to just send me that same $33".. Based on your response, it clearly is not 'nothing' in your mind.
Incidentally, I found another way to spend the $33 I'd save just using Supertech: I could donate it to a local homeless shelter, or pet rescue organization. THEY would notice that $33.
Originally Posted By: 93cruiser
I defy you to prove your car is in just as good as shape running supertech, you can't. Why can you make that statement if I can't say logically mobil 1 protects better, or in better shape? You can't talk out of both sides of your mouth.
Here's why - and I know I've already said this twice, but I'll say it again. I can say that you have to prove it because YOU made the initial statement, and laid forth the initial premise. Therefore, the burden is 100% squarely on YOU to provide the proof.
You have postulated that expensive 'name brand' oil is better than store-brand. Now YOU must find the proof to back it up to turn it into theory.
Sorry, I'll disagree with you saying you would notice the 33 bucks. You stated not living paycheck to paycheck, so to think when you look at your account a year from now that you would really notice a difference off 33 in savings is far fetched. We are not talking about you were paying 500 a month for car payment, and no longer have one. Not talking about you were paying 150 a month for tv, but now use streaming for free. We are talking about a product, oil, that you have to buy and are already, that you would spend 33 extra dollars per year.
Even one on a shoestring budget example is tough to prove out. It's like .09 cents a day. I am not making light of those unfortunate or struggling, I am just saying .09 cents a day is really not that much. And that's the WHOLE point of me asking why run it. You could find more money in change on the ground daily.
So nothing is proven you say, but then say its proven mobil 1 has better tbn. It also has a better base, more additives, etc. I said for the money saved, I don't think supertech is the way to go, and was asking why run it for pennies saved. Get it? I know supertech will work, but I asked why for the meager savings. I don't think my point is coming across, it's not about just which oil is better or not, its about that and the price. Uggh.
Does not matter who makes walmarts oil, walmart is not getting the latest "mixes" due to R and D. I would say they are able to purchase from the supplier formulations that adequately meet, or exceed to correct myself, specifications to testing, but not exceeding higher than say mobil 1. So for .09 a day why not.
I also don't remember saying how its wrong, or anyone was wrong to run supertech. May have said i think its crazy, but did I tell you that you were wrong?
I can't give you the numbers, no one has them. I can tell you logically mobil 1 is a better oil than supertech for the price.
I asked for why to run it. You say everyone tells me I'm wrong, but all I see a lot of is it works, and it meets specs. Yea, we know that. But why for what I will still say is not a lot of money.
No, you also still don't understand the difference of me sending you 33 dollars. I will say again, sending you 33 dollars for nothing gains me zero. Let me think this over, send 33 dollars to you and get nothing in return. Hmm, no thanks. Spend 33 more per year on an oil with higher levels and more additives, yea ok I'll do that. Its not that 33 dollars is nothing, you have to equate things and make logical choices. I'm still thinking you are not getting the price thing I was going for when purchasing a product, and the return.
I have provided all the proof already, not going there again. If higher tbn, more additives, better base stock for pennies a day does not equate that's fine. Still don't see it.
Funny you or no one commented on my reasoning with my Idemitsu/castrol post I made. That situation makes sense to me, not pennies.
