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#4734957 - 04/22/18 06:18 AM rear differential cover bolts
spasm3 Offline


Registered: 05/30/10
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Loc: North Carolina
When i went to change the rear diff gear oil, the fill plug was completely rusted up ( i always check the fill bolt first). There is no drain bolt on this rear end. The previous owner towed a boat and the rear has seen salt water, so there is rust on the bolts.

Are differential cover bolts hard to get out when rusted? Or do they come out okay since they are not open on the back side?

My option is to leave the rear end alone and just drive it until if fails without changing gear oil.

Or remove the rear cover and replace it with one that has a fill bolt on the cover.

I don't want to have a bolt shear off in the diff body trying to remove the cover.

I tow with this truck.

What would you do in this situation?


Edited by spasm3 (04/22/18 06:19 AM)
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#4734973 - 04/22/18 06:53 AM Re: rear differential cover bolts [Re: spasm3]
andyd Offline


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Clean them off and see what you're dealing with. Typically ,the screws are a female torx head. You'll need a gasket. I'd spend the money on a cover with a drain plug.
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#4734979 - 04/22/18 06:58 AM Re: rear differential cover bolts [Re: spasm3]
ford46guy Offline


Registered: 06/01/13
Posts: 525
Loc: Albany, NY
Originally Posted By: spasm3
When i went to change the rear diff gear oil, the fill plug was completely rusted up ( i always check the fill bolt first). There is no drain bolt on this rear end. The previous owner towed a boat and the rear has seen salt water, so there is rust on the bolts.

Are differential cover bolts hard to get out when rusted? Or do they come out okay since they are not open on the back side?

My option is to leave the rear end alone and just drive it until if fails without changing gear oil.

Or remove the rear cover and replace it with one that has a fill bolt on the cover.

I don't want to have a bolt shear off in the diff body trying to remove the cover.

I tow with this truck.

What would you do in this situation?


This is very common where I am, and I'm no where near the water. Road salt does the same thing.

What type of fastner is it? Square? Torx? Hex? Make sure you use the right tool.

Take a stiff steel brush, and clean it up.

Get some PB blaster, WD-40 (yes it helps), and Liquid wrench or go to Family Dollar/Ask the old lady for Acetone nail polish remover. Mix(don't need much, maybe 2 oz of each) it up 50/50 with some used or cheap ATF, spray down the plug. I use a dollar tree spray bottle, it is all deformed but it works for years. Maybe pick two products. Let it sit overnight.

Get a Yellow mapp torch, heat the iron around the plug. Take a candle and melt it into the threads.

Try working the bolt out. Impacting, banging on the breaker bar is better than brute force sometimes. A weak impact helps too. You don't want to destroy the fastener.


Edited by ford46guy (04/22/18 07:03 AM)
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#4734982 - 04/22/18 07:03 AM Re: rear differential cover bolts [Re: spasm3]
spasm3 Offline


Registered: 05/30/10
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The plug is high up on the front of the axle, its a square type, there is not enough left to get a grip and its rusted solid. Its not coming out.

They way it looks i'm not even considering trying to get the fill bolt out. Its the diff cover bolts i'm worried about. There is no drain plug so the only way to dump the gear oil is to remove the cover. I'm worried about bolts shearing off in the body of the diff. I recently had transmission pan bolts shear off.
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#4734990 - 04/22/18 07:20 AM Re: rear differential cover bolts [Re: spasm3]
dlundblad Offline


Registered: 09/30/13
Posts: 9823
Loc: Indiana
Pictures would help. Is the fill plug the recessed 3/8" square style or is it an actual bolt head?

I would think you could siphon some out through the fill hole, but you certainly don't want to proceed with the cover until the fill plug issue is resolved. Let the cover bolts soak for some time, but they should come out issue free.

If all else fails, get a new cover and have one of these installed. https://www.jegs.com/i/Currie/272/95070/10002/-1
Have a second one installed as a drain plug and get some easy Toyota style diff drain and fills.
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#4734996 - 04/22/18 07:35 AM Re: rear differential cover bolts [Re: ford46guy]
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I agree , penetrating oil , heat & then penetrating oil again .
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#4735005 - 04/22/18 07:54 AM Re: rear differential cover bolts [Re: spasm3]
64bawagon Offline


Registered: 01/10/17
Posts: 165
Loc: Michigan
Clean them good with a wire wheel/brush and then soak them with PB blaster a couple days ahead of when you want to remove them. I have done a lot of them and never had a screw break. The importance of cleaning them is so you dont round the head out. I always clean them once they are out and then put some anti sieze on the threads for next time. A 1/4" impact driver should get them out.
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#4735006 - 04/22/18 07:54 AM Re: rear differential cover bolts [Re: spasm3]
ford46guy Offline


Registered: 06/01/13
Posts: 525
Loc: Albany, NY
Originally Posted By: spasm3
The plug is high up on the front of the axle, its a square type, there is not enough left to get a grip and its rusted solid. Its not coming out.

They way it looks i'm not even considering trying to get the fill bolt out. Its the diff cover bolts i'm worried about. There is no drain plug so the only way to dump the gear oil is to remove the cover. I'm worried about bolts shearing off in the body of the diff. I recently had transmission pan bolts shear off.

Diff bolts should be encircled with RTV, and the chances of breaking off are slim. I know on a Ford 8.8 it is a pretty heavy duty bolt, because it provides some support to the case.

If they do break off they should be easy to take out, you will have plenty of access to heat and drill out.

A welding place can put a nut on the plug easily, that can be an option too. Once it is welded it will break any rust bonds. Maybe $25-30 to do something like this. I have a guy that I hand a $20 for this work. Takes him 3 minutes.

An easy out may be an option too. If it is 3/8" square drive you can probably get a big one in there, less chance of breaking off.

If you have to leave the plug in place, make sure you can find a rear end cover with the fill plug that can fill to proper level. They are quite pricey too.



Edited by ford46guy (04/22/18 07:57 AM)
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#4735013 - 04/22/18 07:58 AM Re: rear differential cover bolts [Re: spasm3]
4WD Offline


Registered: 09/21/10
Posts: 6135
Loc: Texas
Buy the cover … you will love it.

The G2 normally has a “tattle tell” port (in addition to drain and fill plugs) …
There since the capacity goes up a bit … you can still get the oil level to the bottom of axle tubes …

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#4735058 - 04/22/18 08:37 AM Re: rear differential cover bolts [Re: spasm3]
bullwinkle Offline


Registered: 10/09/04
Posts: 7577
Loc: Cincinnati, OH, USA
I had this problem on the GMC in my sig-bought a cheap steel cover, drilled it, had my welder weld a bung in it, and painted it with Rustoleum primer & black spray paint. It's been on & fine for almost a year. The key is getting the fill plug level correct, needs to be right below the bottom of the axle tubes.
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#4735060 - 04/22/18 08:40 AM Re: rear differential cover bolts [Re: spasm3]
spasm3 Offline


Registered: 05/30/10
Posts: 8532
Loc: North Carolina
Ok here are some pics. I'm not going to mess with the fill bolt, i'm just not.

I'd rather add a new cover as suggested above that has a fill bolt.



How much chance of these bolts shearing?




Edited by spasm3 (04/22/18 08:49 AM)
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#4735061 - 04/22/18 08:41 AM Re: rear differential cover bolts [Re: bullwinkle]
4WD Offline


Registered: 09/21/10
Posts: 6135
Loc: Texas
Originally Posted By: bullwinkle
I had this problem on the GMC in my sig-bought a cheap steel cover, drilled it, had my welder weld a bung in it, and painted it with Rustoleum primer & black spray paint. It's been on & fine for almost a year. The key is getting the fill plug level correct, needs to be right below the bottom of the axle tubes.


Yes … If you go homemade … be careful how you read this … target is this picture:




See ports on G2




Edited by 4WD (04/22/18 08:43 AM)

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#4735080 - 04/22/18 09:02 AM Re: rear differential cover bolts [Re: spasm3]
KD0AXS Offline


Registered: 11/13/12
Posts: 2436
Loc: Nowthen, MN
I didn't have any problem with the diff cover bolts on my F-350 after 10 winters of road salt here in MN. Soak them with PB Blaster or something similar, and use a good 6 point socket.

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#4735089 - 04/22/18 09:09 AM Re: rear differential cover bolts [Re: spasm3]
ford46guy Offline


Registered: 06/01/13
Posts: 525
Loc: Albany, NY
Hard to give you a probability of shearing. Best for someone with GM rear end experience in the salt belt to chime in. Transmission pan bolts are small diameter.
For starters I would take wirebrush and spray the bolts down.

Since it is gasketed you can try to tighten 1/8" turn to break things. Then loosen a bit more. Once it breaks a bit and leaves a gap, spray each bolt with penetrant.

You can also heat the diff case where the bolts are.

If you don't force things with a long breaker bar(take it slow) you should be ok.
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#4735091 - 04/22/18 09:11 AM Re: rear differential cover bolts [Re: KD0AXS]
ford46guy Offline


Registered: 06/01/13
Posts: 525
Loc: Albany, NY
Originally Posted By: KD0AXS
I didn't have any problem with the diff cover bolts on my F-350 after 10 winters of road salt here in MN. Soak them with PB Blaster or something similar, and use a good 6 point socket.

Not surprising, because RTV always makes itself into the threads.
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