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Traveller 15w-40 VOA Ford approved??? #4729168
04/16/18 06:41 PM
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TravisR1020 Offline OP
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I got my VOA back from blackstone. Traveller is on the Ford approved list however this test shows the phosphorus is below 1,000 ppm. Does this additive package look weak? Attached is the VOA tell me what you think.
FILE_0575.pdf


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Re: Traveller 15w-40 VOA Ford approved??? [Re: TravisR1020] #4729175
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I would use it if it's SN on the starburst like most traveller oil.


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Re: Traveller 15w-40 VOA Ford approved??? [Re: TheLawnRanger] #4729178
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This is Diesel oil

Re: Traveller 15w-40 VOA Ford approved??? [Re: TravisR1020] #4729183
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Sorry Trav. What is diesel oil's ratings system? I've never used it but you never know.


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Traveller 15w-40 Ford approved but the test says.. #4729184
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I bought some Traveller 15w-40 because it was on sale and on the Ford approved list but my curiosity made me buy a quart to get a sample from for a VOA. I just got the results back and it shows the Phosphorous below 1,000 ppm. It was my understanding that to be on the Ford approved list the phosphorus had to be 1,000ppm at a minimum. How does this additive package look to you guys? Your opinions?

Traveller 15w-40 VOA. FORD APPROVED?? #4729189
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Here is my VOA on Tractor Supplyís Traveller 15w-40. Itís on the Ford approved list but itís below the 1,000ppm phosphorus levels I thought Ford required. How does this additive package look to you?

Re: Traveller 15w-40 VOA Ford approved??? [Re: TheLawnRanger] #4729221
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Iím not sure about that. The current api is CK-4 if thatís what your asking.

Re: Traveller 15w-40 VOA. FORD APPROVED?? [Re: TravisR1020] #4729222
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I would say yes, there is a margin of error for these labs, and 900+ is clearly not in the SN category of sub 800. Still holding a CJ4 badge, the 2013 sample of it at PQIA shows >1000 phos level.


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Re: Traveller 15w-40 Ford approved but the test says.. [Re: TravisR1020] #4729250
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Lab variance or what landed in the bottle that day. 940 is close enough to 1000....certainly closer than the sub 800 SN requires. When I do VOA testing it never matches the PDS exactly...just close.


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Re: Traveller 15w-40 Ford approved but the test says.. [Re: TravisR1020] #4729262
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How many threads do we need on this?


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Re: Traveller 15w-40 VOA. FORD APPROVED?? [Re: Dyusik] #4729269
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I agree, and I saw that on the PQIA website but in 2013 Traveller was blended by Warren Distribution. For a year now itís been produced by Martin Lubricants. So I can only go off of this sample.

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Re: Traveller 15w-40 VOA Ford approved??? [Re: TravisR1020] #4729273
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Originally Posted By: TravisR1020
Iím not sure about that. The current api is CK-4 if thatís what your asking.

Not sure if website is not updated as it's with CJ4/SM specs.

Re: Traveller 15w-40 VOA Ford approved??? [Re: zeng] #4729325
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No the website is outdated. Martin Lubricants emailed me saying traveller has been CK-4 for a year now but they are using up old labels. My Tractor Supply is just starting to get updated labels on their oil in the store now. The new oil containers have the new Ford spec on it.

Re: Traveller 15w-40 VOA Ford approved??? [Re: TravisR1020] #4729550
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Most all production spec's have a "range" (allowed variation), typically centered around some nominal value. (example: target of 1000ppm phos +/- 5% would be 950 to 1050 ppm).
However, in this case, typical ppm limits are either the top or bottom of acceptable. (example: 1000ppm min phos).


I would say this is just a slightly weak sample; likely due to production mixing variation. Technically it should fail the Ford spec, but I'd not loose sleep over this. The next batch they mixed might have been a bit high? Who knows. There is always variation in production volumes of all products. I do NOT believe a PSD is going to grenade because the lube is down 60ppm of phos from it's rated value.



Last edited by dnewton3; 04/17/18 05:33 AM.

The act of preventative maintenance, in and of itself, is FAR MORE important than brand/grade/base choices among lubes and filters.
- under maintaining something is akin to abuse/neglect; that can kill equipment by shortening the lifespan
- over maintaining something has never been proven to be anything but a waste of time and money
Re: Traveller 15w-40 VOA Ford approved??? [Re: TravisR1020] #4729765
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