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Alternator Drawing Current #4728529
04/16/18 07:18 AM
04/16/18 07:18 AM
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Spetz Offline OP
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Hi everyone,

I noticed my car had a parasitic current draw when off.

After circuit testing it turned out that removing the hot side from the alternator (the thick red wire) got rid of the current drain.

The alternator however still produces voltage etc.

The ECU is showing up an error for the FR terminal however from my testing the voltage at the FR terminal is fine.

Could the current draw (which might be faulty diode?) cause the error code?

Engine and ECU are from a Mitsubishi FTO 6A12 MIVEC.


2003 Mitsubishi Diamante 6G74 3.5L. 5 Speed auto. 155,000 miles. Shell Helix Ultra 5W40 at 6k OCI
Re: Alternator Drawing Current [Re: Spetz] #4728533
04/16/18 07:20 AM
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Bad diode in the alternator maybe?


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Re: Alternator Drawing Current [Re: Spetz] #4728574
04/16/18 08:08 AM
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Spetz Offline OP
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Yes that is what I have read - But could a bad diode cause an FR terminal error?
As the FR voltage seemed fine when testing it


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Re: Alternator Drawing Current [Re: Spetz] #4728585
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I can be wrong but Diode is supposed to limit the electrical current to go one way to the direction it supposed to go.
In this case charging the battery not the other way around.

For alternator, you cannot measure voltage, you need to measure amp-acity (amperage).
That is why we use load tester.
The load tester apply a certain amp (load) to the system and see if it can still hold the voltage after the load.
You may do it this way, though. If so, forgive me for the suggestion.


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Re: Alternator Drawing Current [Re: Spetz] #4728607
04/16/18 08:36 AM
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If you have a bad diode, you will get a parasitic draw, and the alternator will be sending some AC current to the battery. Not good for the life of the electrical system. Use your meter to measure alternating current at the alternator, if you see any, it is toast.


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Re: Alternator Drawing Current [Re: Spetz] #4728736
04/16/18 10:21 AM
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I had a power seat wire shorting in my old Buick Electra, Only when you sat on the bench and it hit a seat spring! Hard to find that puppy!


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Re: Alternator Drawing Current [Re: Spetz] #4728864
04/16/18 12:12 PM
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That's just at the transition point for a generation change in alternator regulator design.

The first generation of electronically regulated alternators were powered through the warning light. The regulator used that small current as it's power source until the alternator started producing power.

The second generation monitored the phase pulses to delay starting up the alternator. It wouldn't try to generate power until a certain RPM was reached.

The third generation changed how the regulator was initially powered. It used the warning light circuit only as a signal that the ignition was switch on, while drawing its operating power from the main battery lead. This might seem a meaningless change, but it allows the regulator to signal other faults using the warning light, without shutting down its own power.

The fourth generation is always powered by the battery. It stays in very low power mode until it detects that the engine has started and has continued to run for a few seconds. These generally have a digital output to the ECU, communicating the status and errors using LIN (sending messages over a serial communication bus) or DFM (digital field monitor, a pulse proportional to how much power the alternator is trying to put out).

A bad diode is the traditional way that alternators have a parasitic draw. The failure is usually caused by reverse polarity during jump starting, and the current drain is often high.

An electronic regulator adds a new failure mode, either continuously leaving its power on (a 1-100 mA) or even providing field current (up to a few amps). The ECU probably already knows what the fault is, but if you can't read the codes, removing the regulator will usually narrow down the fault.

Re: Alternator Drawing Current [Re: Spetz] #4729215
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Spetz Offline OP
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Would removing the hot side wire from the alternator and starting the car for a few seconds to see if the error code still shows up be a good way to test this?

Or how can I test it?


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Re: Alternator Drawing Current [Re: Spetz] #4730145
04/17/18 03:52 PM
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You know there is a problem inside the alternator. The question is whether to poke around inside the alternator or replace the whole unit.

Re: Alternator Drawing Current [Re: Spetz] #4730650
04/18/18 05:19 AM
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if you can buy the rectifier assy and feel up to the task replace it yourself.
get the brush assy too.
you may be able to get a full rebuild kit.
i would rather do this myself or use a good local rebuilder vs a 3rd world cheap rebuild from a big box.

Re: Alternator Drawing Current [Re: kc8adu] #4730895
04/18/18 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted By: kc8adu
if you can buy the rectifier assy and feel up to the task replace it yourself.
get the brush assy too.
you may be able to get a full rebuild kit.
i would rather do this myself or use a good local rebuilder vs a 3rd world cheap rebuild from a big box.


I agree with this comment. It's easy enough to do too.


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