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Transmission oil for a 47 non synchronized 4 speed #4728206
04/15/18 06:52 PM
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I have a 47 Dodge power wagon with a 4 speed non synchronized 4 speed trans the shop manual calls for a 80w/140 oil. I have been reading some have been using a synthetic 50w oil as a replacement. I believe being a non syncro trans that a yellow metal compatible oil is not a concern so is it possible to get better performance from a modern 50w than the 80w/140 ?

Re: Transmission oil for a 47 non synchronized 4 speed [Re: preaction] #4728216
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just use any modern 80w90 or 75w140 i personally wouldn't use a 50 weight oil in the transmission.


1994 Ford F150 302 4R70
Chevron Delo SAE 30 CF/SL Fram XG8A

1978 Chevy Nova 250 I6 Borg Warner T5
Rotella 10W40 Fram XG5

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Sae 50 would be close to what it used when new.


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Re: Transmission oil for a 47 non synchronized 4 speed [Re: preaction] #4728278
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Take a look ar Mobil 1 Delvac 50.

About 90 weight GL-4 gear oil...

https://www.mobil.com/English-US/Commerc...ission-Fluid-50


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Re: Transmission oil for a 47 non synchronized 4 speed [Re: preaction] #4728284
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The Delvac 50 was the product I saw being used in place of the 80w90. Its pricey too.

Re: Transmission oil for a 47 non synchronized 4 speed [Re: preaction] #4728382
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This one of the rare cases in which I would recommend this for older transmissions:

http://www.crcindustries.com/products/api-gl-4-multi-purpose-gear-oil-1-gal-SL24239.html

I am not sure how your old seals would respond take to the seal conditioning of something such as Redline MT-90 or Amsoil MTG.


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Re: Transmission oil for a 47 non synchronized 4 speed [Re: Chris142] #4728424
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Originally Posted By: Chris142
Sae 50 would be close to what it used when new.




Wouldnt hit the 140 requirement though unless the API gear oil ranges have shifted with time.

Re: Transmission oil for a 47 non synchronized 4 speed [Re: JHZR2] #4728428
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Originally Posted By: JHZR2


Wouldnt hit the 140 requirement though unless the API gear oil ranges have shifted with time.

Exactly.
An OEM xW140 of that era would've a [email protected]*C range from 320 cSt to 748 cSt.

Re: Transmission oil for a 47 non synchronized 4 speed [Re: zeng] #4728469
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Originally Posted By: zeng
Originally Posted By: JHZR2


Wouldnt hit the 140 requirement though unless the API gear oil ranges have shifted with time.

Exactly.
An OEM xW140 of that era would've a [email protected]*C range from 320 cSt to 748 cSt.


So you are saying a 140 like this may work because the specs have changed over the years?

Edit: oops nevermind, I need more coffee coffee

Last edited by SOHCman; 04/16/18 05:30 AM.

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Re: Transmission oil for a 47 non synchronized 4 speed [Re: SOHCman] #4728798
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Does this being a straight cut gear transmission make any difference ?

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https://lucasoil.com/media/k2/galleries/369/10146_Syn50wtTrans_800x950.jpg This also was recommended but again its 50 weight.

Re: Transmission oil for a 47 non synchronized 4 speed [Re: SOHCman] #4729194
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Originally Posted By: SOHCman
Originally Posted By: zeng
Originally Posted By: JHZR2


Wouldnt hit the 140 requirement though unless the API gear oil ranges have shifted with time.

Exactly.
An OEM xW140 of that era would've a [email protected]*C range from 320 cSt to 748 cSt.


So you are saying a 140 like this may work because the specs have changed over the years?

Edit: oops nevermind, I need more coffee coffee

This StaLube ISO 460 gear oil fell under SAE xW140 of that era, and
It falls under modern day SAE xW140, therefore .....
absolutely yes , if OP wishes so. Coffee2

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Originally Posted By: preaction
Does this being a straight cut gear transmission make any difference ?

Straight cut gears has less severe sliding action, vis-a-vis high off-set hypoid gears.
Hence ,no difference here.

Re: Transmission oil for a 47 non synchronized 4 speed [Re: zeng] #4729880
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Originally Posted By: zeng
Originally Posted By: preaction
Does this being a straight cut gear transmission make any difference ?

Straight cut gears has less severe sliding action, vis-a-vis high off-set hypoid gears.
Hence ,no difference here.
Easy application. Simple as it gets.

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Thanks for all of your responses.

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