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Whats in motorcycle oil that helps with shifting #4728011
04/15/18 04:01 PM
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Curious. Is there some secret addative in mc oils that helps them shift? Some oils shift terrible. My LTZ 400 shifts awfull. I have tried many oils. So far Napa Sae40 is the best.


02 Wrangler carlube 5w30
87 F250 traveler 15w40
07 fjcruiser Chevron 10w30
Z400 castrol T 10w40
Can am maveric edge 5w40
57 case tractor 15w40
Re: Whats in motorcycle oil that helps with shifting [Re: Chris142] #4728021
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I use to ride until a few years ago. My favorite oil until it was discontinued was Yamalube 20W40.


Wife: 15' Audi A4 quattro 6 speed manual
Me: 13' VW GTI 3 door 6 speed manual
Wanted: 2019 Ford Ranger
Re: Whats in motorcycle oil that helps with shifting [Re: Chris142] #4728039
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Nope, no magic in an MC oil that isn't in a HDEO.
If your straight 40 is working, keep on using.


beanoil: Tough under heat, real dirty afterwards.
Re: Whats in motorcycle oil that helps with shifting [Re: Chris142] #4728066
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its not just what is in the oil....

it is what is NOT in the oil...

No friction modifiers to hurt wet clutch performance..

and usually a modest amount of extra anti-wear additives such as ZDDP.



2019 Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk 2.0T
Re: Whats in motorcycle oil that helps with shifting [Re: Chris142] #4728086
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Make sure the back of the jug doesn't say energy conserving.

I've had good luck with Rotella 15W40 and Valvoline Motorcycle 10W40.


17 Chrysler Pacifica Edge Syn 5W30
13 Yamaha XT250 Valv MC 10W40
10 Acura TSX 2.4 SuperTech Syn 5W20
06 GMC Sierra SuperTech 10W30


Re: Whats in motorcycle oil that helps with shifting [Re: Chris142] #4728087
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What differentiates a good shift from a bad shift? Grittiness? Time to engage?

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There is no question that fresh oil changes shifting feel. I think I like the feel of heavier oils. And certain oils that don't shear quickly retain shifting feel over a longer period of time.


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Re: Whats in motorcycle oil that helps with shifting [Re: Reddy45] #4728167
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Originally Posted By: Reddy45
What differentiates a good shift from a bad shift? Grittiness? Time to engage?
extremely notchy. Can't find neutral. Valvoline 10w40 mc oil and rotella we're the worst!


02 Wrangler carlube 5w30
87 F250 traveler 15w40
07 fjcruiser Chevron 10w30
Z400 castrol T 10w40
Can am maveric edge 5w40
57 case tractor 15w40
Re: Whats in motorcycle oil that helps with shifting [Re: Chris142] #4728330
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No exp with motorcycles. Could it be the clutch needs adjusting? hide


'16 Camry LE STP synth 0w20 and STP filter. the Fridge

1994 Ranger ,the Rat, 5w30 dino, STP filter

'16 Camry SE, Valvoline HM 0w20 and OEM filter
Thick oil is better grin2
Re: Whats in motorcycle oil that helps with shifting [Re: Chris142] #4728334
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I think is viscosity. 15w40 seemed to last longer than 5w40. I could always feel the 5w40 get notchy after some miles. I think its how much a given oil shears.


13 elantra 72k 5w30 QSUD
03 chevy avalanche 80k synpwr 5w30
17 mazda cx-5 7300 miles m1 0w30
Re: Whats in motorcycle oil that helps with shifting [Re: Chris142] #4728340
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even more than cars + trucks motorcycles beat up oil with their higher heat + shared gearboxes. most anything non-conserving will be ok but real synthetics + oils with closer spreads fare better, try a few until your satisfied with one. many use 15-40 cheap diesel oils but if you ride a lot longer lasting real synthetics can be a better value. always take your riding temperature into consideration for choosing an oil. my traded HD would not start on a big name 20-50 synthetic but a 10-40 worked well. i know use top of line 15-50 year around!

Re: Whats in motorcycle oil that helps with shifting [Re: andyd] #4728352
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Originally Posted By: andyd
No exp with motorcycles. Could it be the clutch needs adjusting? hide
I have messed with adjusting the clutch for years now. Too much Freeplay to not enough. No change.


02 Wrangler carlube 5w30
87 F250 traveler 15w40
07 fjcruiser Chevron 10w30
Z400 castrol T 10w40
Can am maveric edge 5w40
57 case tractor 15w40
Re: Whats in motorcycle oil that helps with shifting [Re: beanoil] #4728353
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Originally Posted By: beanoil
Nope, no magic in an MC oil that isn't in a HDEO.
If your straight 40 is working, keep on using.
I'm concerned about it taking too long to pump up to the cams through that little skinny pipe.

Last edited by Chris142; 04/15/18 09:35 PM.

02 Wrangler carlube 5w30
87 F250 traveler 15w40
07 fjcruiser Chevron 10w30
Z400 castrol T 10w40
Can am maveric edge 5w40
57 case tractor 15w40
Re: Whats in motorcycle oil that helps with shifting [Re: Chris142] #4728380
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I used m1 15w50 in my ltz400 and it shifted perfect


12 cruze rs 1.4t 6spd pp 5w30 tuned on 22psi
13 equinox 2.4 awd pp 5w30
Re: Whats in motorcycle oil that helps with shifting [Re: Chris142] #4728387
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Originally Posted By: Chris142
Originally Posted By: beanoil
Nope, no magic in an MC oil that isn't in a HDEO.
If your straight 40 is working, keep on using.
I'm concerned about it taking too long to pump up to the cams through that little skinny pipe.

Dont worry too much, I'm sure there will be no riding in frigid weather.
After sitting close to 6 months(maybe more), my r1 had a healthy amount of oil on the cam lobes, nice and slick. This is with 15w40. I would not worry about the oil taking a few to get pumped up. Plenty of residual oil to take care of things until then.


95 Cherokee 190K DELO 10W30, XG8
07 IS250 104K STP syn HM 10w30, FULL
04 YZF-R1 19K DELO 15w40, XG7317
99 HD XL1200S 21K VR1 20w50, NG1515
14 RX450h 37k Idemitsu 0w20, 57047
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