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#4727396 - 04/15/18 07:12 AM Oil Filter Change with Fram synthetic ultra 3614
Patrick0525 Offline


Registered: 07/23/14
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Loc: PA
What is the forum's opinion?

I have a 2017 cub cadet with a Kohler 7000 command and plan to do oil every 50hrs and filter every 100hrs using a Fran ultra. The oil is T5 10w-30.

As a side-note, my car Toyota V6's OCI is 5000 mi and a Fram ultra every 10K mi. The car says I average 37mi/hr or 270 hrs for 10K mi. So far my Blackstone oil analysis has been normal.

In theory, I could do OCI every 100hrs and Fram ultra every 200hrs.
But this is an air cooled engine and 200 hrs it would take 8 years.
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#4727410 - 04/15/18 07:29 AM Re: Oil Filter Change with Fram synthetic ultra 3614 [Re: Patrick0525]
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What is the manufacturer's recommendation?

I have a liquid cooled Kawasaki v-twin in a John Deere 425AWS, with 3,000 hours on it.

The manufacturer recommends either every 125 hours, or a yearly oil change... whichever comes first.

On average, I change every 100 hours, using a $3 -$4 oil filter (W*M SuperTech, NAPA ProSelect or O'Reilly MicroGard), and 10w-30 Shell Rotella T4.

I don't think I've lost out on longevity by using a lower end oil filter.
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#4727415 - 04/15/18 07:36 AM Re: Oil Filter Change with Fram synthetic ultra 3614 [Re: mrsilv04]
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I believe Kohler recommends oil and filter every 100hr.
Cub Cadet recommends both every 50hrs.



Edited by Patrick0525 (04/15/18 07:41 AM)
Edit Reason: Change
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#4727433 - 04/15/18 07:55 AM Re: Oil Filter Change with Fram synthetic ultra 3614 [Re: Patrick0525]
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I think you could do oil changes every 50hrs and Fram Ultra every 150hrs easily.
When I've cut open the cheap filters used on my B&S Intek they look new after 50 hours...

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#4727435 - 04/15/18 07:56 AM Re: Oil Filter Change with Fram synthetic ultra 3614 [Re: Patrick0525]
AirgunSavant Offline


Registered: 07/22/15
Posts: 3617
Loc: MD
I use Ultras too but in this case the MC FL- 910s ,
Is a good compromise. After 100 hrs they still look great
On a Kohler 33 hp. zero turn.

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#4727445 - 04/15/18 08:04 AM Re: Oil Filter Change with Fram synthetic ultra 3614 [Re: Patrick0525]
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I like Fram ultra- nice to not have to mess with an oil filter. I go 4-5000 miles
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#4727450 - 04/15/18 08:10 AM Re: Oil Filter Change with Fram synthetic ultra 3614 [Re: Patrick0525]
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Originally Posted By: Patrick0525
What is the forum's opinion?

I have a 2017 cub cadet with a Kohler 7000 command and plan to do oil every 50hrs and filter every 100hrs using a Fran ultra. The oil is T5 10w-30.

As a side-note, my car Toyota V6's OCI is 5000 mi and a Fram ultra every 10K mi. The car says I average 37mi/hr or 270 hrs for 10K mi. So far my Blackstone oil analysis has been normal.

In theory, I could do OCI every 100hrs and Fram ultra every 200hrs.
But this is an air cooled engine and 200 hrs it would take 8 years.



You mentioned an inconvenient truth. It would take 8 years to accumulate 200 hrs. Just default to an oil and filter change each spring or donít bother changing that oil filter for 8 years or alternatively change the filter every couple of years.


Edited by Snagglefoot (04/15/18 08:17 AM)

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#4727454 - 04/15/18 08:12 AM Re: Oil Filter Change with Fram synthetic ultra 3614 [Re: Patrick0525]
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I do my lawn tractor change yearly Ö have a stash of Fram TG and Bosch DP from Walmart clearance aisle
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#4727483 - 04/15/18 08:38 AM Re: Oil Filter Change with Fram synthetic ultra 3614 [Re: Patrick0525]
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Just change oil/filter once a year and use what makes you happy. The cost is minimal.


Edited by ZZman (04/15/18 08:39 AM)
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#4727576 - 04/15/18 09:54 AM Re: Oil Filter Change with Fram synthetic ultra 3614 [Re: Patrick0525]
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Registered: 07/27/13
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50 hour OC interval is pretty standard. But no way would I change out an Ultra filter after 50 hours.
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#4727915 - 04/15/18 03:34 PM Re: Oil Filter Change with Fram synthetic ultra 3614 [Re: Patrick0525]
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Registered: 07/30/15
Posts: 395
Loc: Pennsylvania
According to http://www.oilfilterdata.com/index.php?view=filter_info&model=PH3614 that filter has a capacity of 23.29 cubic inches or 0.4 quarts. If we assume it to be half full, then you may be leaving 10% of the total oil capacity in there. That's based on my B&S V-twin. Personally I would prefer to change as much of the oil as possible.

You mentioned that it would take 8 years to accumulate 200 hours, so you must run an average of 25 hours per year. Why not just do a complete oil and filter change ever other season, which is 50 hours and on target with the manufacturer's recommendation?

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#4727962 - 04/15/18 04:10 PM Re: Oil Filter Change with Fram synthetic ultra 3614 [Re: Astro_Guy]
Patrick0525 Offline


Registered: 07/23/14
Posts: 109
Loc: PA
I am trying to be frugal, maximize filter capability using a loaded filter and minimize total lifetime number of dry starts after an oil change.
50 hrs on a ultra is wasting a still good filter. In my theorical automotive world, 50 hrs @my 37mi/hr is 2K mi. What a waste!
Also it is filtering, 6.5qts of crankcase oil. My Kohler only holds 2.0qts.

Note: I use Fram ultra filters on my Toyota and they easily can do 10k mi.
Toyota recommends oil/filter every 10K and their OEM filters are cellulose media.
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