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Oil Filter Change with Fram synthetic ultra 3614 #4727396
04/15/18 07:12 AM
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What is the forum's opinion?

I have a 2017 cub cadet with a Kohler 7000 command and plan to do oil every 50hrs and filter every 100hrs using a Fran ultra. The oil is T5 10w-30.

As a side-note, my car Toyota V6's OCI is 5000 mi and a Fram ultra every 10K mi. The car says I average 37mi/hr or 270 hrs for 10K mi. So far my Blackstone oil analysis has been normal.

In theory, I could do OCI every 100hrs and Fram ultra every 200hrs.
But this is an air cooled engine and 200 hrs it would take 8 years.


'14 Toyota Venza 3.5L 70K mi
TGMO 0W-20/Toyota filter (winter)
PP 0W-20/Fram Ultra filter(spring/summer)


Re: Oil Filter Change with Fram synthetic ultra 3614 [Re: Patrick0525] #4727410
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What is the manufacturer's recommendation?

I have a liquid cooled Kawasaki v-twin in a John Deere 425AWS, with 3,000 hours on it.

The manufacturer recommends either every 125 hours, or a yearly oil change... whichever comes first.

On average, I change every 100 hours, using a $3 -$4 oil filter (W*M SuperTech, NAPA ProSelect or O'Reilly MicroGard), and 10w-30 Shell Rotella T4.

I don't think I've lost out on longevity by using a lower end oil filter.


2004 Silverado - on its 3rd Jasper engine in less than one year.
Re: Oil Filter Change with Fram synthetic ultra 3614 [Re: mrsilv04] #4727415
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I believe Kohler recommends oil and filter every 100hr.
Cub Cadet recommends both every 50hrs.


Last edited by Patrick0525; 04/15/18 07:41 AM. Reason: Change

'14 Toyota Venza 3.5L 70K mi
TGMO 0W-20/Toyota filter (winter)
PP 0W-20/Fram Ultra filter(spring/summer)


Re: Oil Filter Change with Fram synthetic ultra 3614 [Re: Patrick0525] #4727433
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I think you could do oil changes every 50hrs and Fram Ultra every 150hrs easily.
When I've cut open the cheap filters used on my B&S Intek they look new after 50 hours...


'Journalism is Dead'
Re: Oil Filter Change with Fram synthetic ultra 3614 [Re: Patrick0525] #4727435
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I use Ultras too but in this case the MC FL- 910s ,
Is a good compromise. After 100 hrs they still look great
On a Kohler 33 hp. zero turn.

Re: Oil Filter Change with Fram synthetic ultra 3614 [Re: Patrick0525] #4727445
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I like Fram ultra- nice to not have to mess with an oil filter. I go 4-5000 miles


These products are all new every year?? They are a revolution!!! Razor blades, mens shirts, TVs, wiper blades, gutter guards, hearing aids... according to the ads. But also all new last year
Re: Oil Filter Change with Fram synthetic ultra 3614 [Re: Patrick0525] #4727450
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Originally Posted By: Patrick0525
What is the forum's opinion?

I have a 2017 cub cadet with a Kohler 7000 command and plan to do oil every 50hrs and filter every 100hrs using a Fran ultra. The oil is T5 10w-30.

As a side-note, my car Toyota V6's OCI is 5000 mi and a Fram ultra every 10K mi. The car says I average 37mi/hr or 270 hrs for 10K mi. So far my Blackstone oil analysis has been normal.

In theory, I could do OCI every 100hrs and Fram ultra every 200hrs.
But this is an air cooled engine and 200 hrs it would take 8 years.



You mentioned an inconvenient truth. It would take 8 years to accumulate 200 hrs. Just default to an oil and filter change each spring or donít bother changing that oil filter for 8 years or alternatively change the filter every couple of years.

Last edited by Snagglefoot; 04/15/18 08:17 AM.

If you want the job done right......do it yourself.
Re: Oil Filter Change with Fram synthetic ultra 3614 [Re: Patrick0525] #4727454
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I do my lawn tractor change yearly Ö have a stash of Fram TG and Bosch DP from Walmart clearance aisle

Re: Oil Filter Change with Fram synthetic ultra 3614 [Re: Patrick0525] #4727483
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Just change oil/filter once a year and use what makes you happy. The cost is minimal.

Last edited by ZZman; 04/15/18 08:39 AM.

2003 Mercury Grand Marquis. Rotella T6 Multi-Vehicle oil
2008 Sebring Hardtop convertible. Rotella T6 Multi-Vehicle oil
2006 Kawasaki Vulcan 900 LT. Amsoil Metric 10w-40
Re: Oil Filter Change with Fram synthetic ultra 3614 [Re: Patrick0525] #4727576
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50 hour OC interval is pretty standard. But no way would I change out an Ultra filter after 50 hours.


2017 Honda Odyssey SE, 15K
2013 Honda Accord LX, 58K
2007 Honda Ridgeline RTS, 87K
2007 Infiniti M35, 106K
Re: Oil Filter Change with Fram synthetic ultra 3614 [Re: Patrick0525] #4727915
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According to http://www.oilfilterdata.com/index.php?view=filter_info&model=PH3614 that filter has a capacity of 23.29 cubic inches or 0.4 quarts. If we assume it to be half full, then you may be leaving 10% of the total oil capacity in there. That's based on my B&S V-twin. Personally I would prefer to change as much of the oil as possible.

You mentioned that it would take 8 years to accumulate 200 hours, so you must run an average of 25 hours per year. Why not just do a complete oil and filter change ever other season, which is 50 hours and on target with the manufacturer's recommendation?

Re: Oil Filter Change with Fram synthetic ultra 3614 [Re: Astro_Guy] #4727962
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Patrick0525 Offline OP
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I am trying to be frugal, maximize filter capability using a loaded filter and minimize total lifetime number of dry starts after an oil change.
50 hrs on a ultra is wasting a still good filter. In my theorical automotive world, 50 hrs @my 37mi/hr is 2K mi. What a waste!
Also it is filtering, 6.5qts of crankcase oil. My Kohler only holds 2.0qts.

Note: I use Fram ultra filters on my Toyota and they easily can do 10k mi.
Toyota recommends oil/filter every 10K and their OEM filters are cellulose media.


'14 Toyota Venza 3.5L 70K mi
TGMO 0W-20/Toyota filter (winter)
PP 0W-20/Fram Ultra filter(spring/summer)



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