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Small oil filters? #4727069
04/14/18 06:47 PM
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2009Edge Offline OP
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Why are the oil filters on the "new" vehicles so small? I cut open the filter I removed from my Ford 2.0L turbo engine and it is the same size that is on my son's skid steer lawn mower. This filter media was less than 1.5 inches tall and about 1.5 inches in diameter.
I replaced it with something larger and am looking for a bigger one that will fit with the same bypass setting.

Re: Small oil filters? [Re: 2009Edge] #4727075
04/14/18 06:54 PM
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Because it does not need to be larger?


2018 Hyundai Santa Fe: Dealer oil, Mahle filter, 5k
2012 Scion xB: QSUD 0w-20, CQ Blue, 5k
2002 Ford F150: GTX HM 5w-20, EcoGard, 1yr
1994 Honda VT1100c: Peak 15w-40, PSL, 5k
Re: Small oil filters? [Re: 2009Edge] #4727078
04/14/18 06:56 PM
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Not to long ago a filter was changed every second oil change. They were bigger back then.

Re: Small oil filters? [Re: blupupher] #4727082
04/14/18 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted By: blupupher
Because it does not need to be larger?


Seems pretty simple, huh? Why does it need to be bigger?


Without data you're just another person with an opinion. W. E. Deming

2003 Corolla 250,000 miles (RIP)
2004 Corolla 125,000 miles
2004 Rav4 370,000 miles
2015 Camry 70,000 miles
Re: Small oil filters? [Re: 2009Edge] #4727083
04/14/18 07:00 PM
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A Ford filter that has media only 1.5 inches in diameter? Most mowers use an Auto engine filter and not the other way around. Ed


CX5 Touring 2.5L :-)
Re: Small oil filters? [Re: blupupher] #4727099
04/14/18 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted By: blupupher
Because it does not need to be larger?

Chosen by engineers with plenty of experience and no doubt PROOF that it's fine too.

Re: Small oil filters? [Re: 2009Edge] #4727100
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I suspect that it keeps a lot of oil and metal out of our landfills.


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Re: Small oil filters? [Re: 2009Edge] #4727105
04/14/18 07:28 PM
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How many filters have you seen that were fully loaded? I have only seen one, and it took a lot to get it loaded. I've seen stuff around the internets, however they were from neglected engines, in which there were pounds of sludge.


95 Cherokee 190K DELO 10W30, XG8
07 IS250 104K STP syn HM 10w30, FULL
04 YZF-R1 19K DELO 15w40, XG7317
99 HD XL1200S 21K VR1 20w50, NG1515
14 RX450h 37k Idemitsu 0w20, 57047
Re: Small oil filters? [Re: 2009Edge] #4727171
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What’s the number on the filter?

PH6607 oversize is 7317
PH3614 oversize is 3600

PH16 oversize is 8a,
And Godzilla is Wix 51773....


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Re: Small oil filters? [Re: 2009Edge] #4727178
04/14/18 08:41 PM
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out there
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I would think a smaller filter would go up in filtering efficiency quicker. On a regularly maintained engine, it should not get overloaded.


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03 chevy avalanche 80k synpwr 5w30
17 mazda cx-5 7300 miles m1 0w30
Re: Small oil filters? [Re: 2009Edge] #4727181
04/14/18 08:43 PM
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Toronto
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Downsizing to the "just fine" threshold for economical purposes isn't my prerogative. I'll take more filter media and volume any day of the week.


There's no replacement...'scosity for natural viscosity
Re: Small oil filters? [Re: mattwithcats] #4727182
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Originally Posted By: mattwithcats
What’s the number on the filter?

PH6607 oversize is 7317
PH3614 oversize is 3600

PH16 oversize is 8a,
And Godzilla is Wix 51773....


I'd love to run that filter in the Jeep and Harley but the efficiency takes a dive mad


95 Cherokee 190K DELO 10W30, XG8
07 IS250 104K STP syn HM 10w30, FULL
04 YZF-R1 19K DELO 15w40, XG7317
99 HD XL1200S 21K VR1 20w50, NG1515
14 RX450h 37k Idemitsu 0w20, 57047
Re: Small oil filters? [Re: spasm3] #4727188
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Originally Posted By: spasm3
I would think a smaller filter would go up in filtering efficiency quicker.


Not if the delta-p rises faster. I've seen tech paper that says an oil filter's efficiency decreases as it loads up, but I've never seen a tech paper that shows data where the efficiency goes up with loading.

Re: Small oil filters? [Re: 2009Edge] #4727230
04/14/18 09:33 PM
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Engines are getting smaller and smaller too


1984 Mercedes-Benz 300SD - 100k
1995 F150 XL 4.9 reg cab 5MT - 251k 5w30
2016 Mazda6 Touring 6MT - 57k 10w30
2006 Buick Lucerne CXL 3.8 31k 5w30
Re: Small oil filters? [Re: 2009Edge] #4727237
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My 24hp rider mower uses the same oil filter as a Toyota tundra v8. John Deere is $12.00, Super tech is $3.00...I use ST! And it is small for a v8 Truck.


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06 Accord Hybrid 134k PPHM 0w20 wix
02 Chevy k3500 99k Delvac 1 esp 5w40 wix
00 F350 136k Delvac 1300 15w40 wix
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