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'09 TDI - LM Top Tec 4200 w/ LM Mos2 - 8K mile OCI #4726401
04/14/18 03:45 AM
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This is my 2nd analysis on this car. '09 Jetta TDI 6M w/ 114K. Car has been mechanically sound, however it has some electrical/sensor issues that appeared at ~100K miles so I think it's time do the buyback while I still can.

1st sample was about 5 years ago and it posted here as well. https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ub..._42#Post4621345

70% freeway, 30% city

I added about 200 mL of LM 2009 Mos2 to this oil. Ran the car exclusively on HVO w/ Stanadyne PF additive for about 4K miles. We Californians have limited access to HVO.

Iron PPM is similar per 1K than the previous test.

TBN is low like my previous sample. I think if I had gone to 10k it would have been < 1.0 again. This oil does not hold up.

Do these cars have lead/copper bearings or are they the aluminum type?





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Re: '09 TDI - LM Top Tec 4200 w/ LM Mos2 - 8K mile OCI [Re: CleverUserName] #4726690
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I used what I "think" is the newer version of the 507.00 oil (it's in a gold bottle) you are using on my recent OCI and it did pretty well over the 7,800mi it was in the car. I didn't do TBN in this one though.

https://www.europaparts.com/liqui-moly-l...SUaAiMxEALw_wcB

My golf doesn't have as many miles as yours, but my iron levels have never been over 43ppm over the last 5 UOAs I've done on it.

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ub..._50#Post4723139


2013 VW Golf TDI 6MT (DPF/EGR delete w/ tune)
2018 VW Tiguan SE 4MO
1991 BMW 535i (project)
Re: '09 TDI - LM Top Tec 4200 w/ LM Mos2 - 8K mile OCI [Re: DerekG] #4726991
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Originally Posted By: DerekG
I used what I "think" is the newer version of the 507.00 oil (it's in a gold bottle) you are using on my recent OCI and it did pretty well over the 7,800mi it was in the car. I didn't do TBN in this one though.

https://www.europaparts.com/liqui-moly-l...SUaAiMxEALw_wcB

My golf doesn't have as many miles as yours, but my iron levels have never been over 43ppm over the last 5 UOAs I've done on it.

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ub..._50#Post4723139


Like the title says, Iím using LM Top Tec 4200 + LM 2009. Not LM Longlife III. 4200 is expensive and overall the two reports Iíve sent in with it are disappointing to say the least. Itís the only oil Iíve been using for the last 5 years cause I got a good deal on a 20L jug. I just finished it up with this last oil change.

I forgot to mention that I have a metalnerd magnetic drain plug installed now so the actual iron reading would likely be higher otherwise.

Re: '09 TDI - LM Top Tec 4200 w/ LM Mos2 - 8K mile OCI [Re: CleverUserName] #4727280
04/15/18 12:44 AM
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I read the post. I was just hinting to the fact you may want to try a different 507 oil, but if you are doing the buyback it won't really matter.

I'm curious, do you notice much on the magnetic drain plug when you change your oil? I'm always tempted to add one to my cart when buying one of the IDParts oil change kits.

Any idea what you will replace the car with after the buyback?

Cheers


2013 VW Golf TDI 6MT (DPF/EGR delete w/ tune)
2018 VW Tiguan SE 4MO
1991 BMW 535i (project)
Re: '09 TDI - LM Top Tec 4200 w/ LM Mos2 - 8K mile OCI [Re: DerekG] #4727578
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Originally Posted By: DerekG
I read the post. I was just hinting to the fact you may want to try a different 507 oil, but if you are doing the buyback it won't really matter.

I'm curious, do you notice much on the magnetic drain plug when you change your oil? I'm always tempted to add one to my cart when buying one of the IDParts oil change kits.

Any idea what you will replace the car with after the buyback?

Cheers



Yes there is always some fine grit on the plug. I used the extractor this time cause I wanted to just get it done.

The metalnerd plug is a nice piece but it doesnít use a neodymium magnet. Knowing what I do now I would get a plug that does; dimple, powerslut racing or gold plug do use rare earth magnets.

I also now see your golf is emissions deleted. Thatís why the wear numbers are so low, itís not the oil choice. You could be using a real HDEO and go out to 20k mile OCI instead of wasting money on VW 507 oil.

TDI Replacement? I bought a 2017 GMC Canyon 2.8 Duramax last year so I donít need to get something right away, However I was looking at the Chevy Cruze diesel and Volt. Maybe a Mazda. Depends on what the deals are at the end of the year.

Re: '09 TDI - LM Top Tec 4200 w/ LM Mos2 - 8K mile OCI [Re: CleverUserName] #4727845
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Any idea why the wear metals are higher in stock TDIs? Is it simply the fact that there is more resistance in the system that causes more wear? Just curious.


2013 VW Golf TDI 6MT (DPF/EGR delete w/ tune)
2018 VW Tiguan SE 4MO
1991 BMW 535i (project)
Re: '09 TDI - LM Top Tec 4200 w/ LM Mos2 - 8K mile OCI [Re: DerekG] #4727859
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Originally Posted By: DerekG
Any idea why the wear metals are higher in stock TDIs? Is it simply the fact that there is more resistance in the system that causes more wear? Just curious.


Itís primarily from high EGR flow rates and combustion byproducts like nitric/sulfuric acids and soot. Soot is abrasive and acids are corrosive.

Iíve seen an oil report from a Ram Ecodiesel that had a tune that shut off EGR flow and re-mapped fuel/boost curves. The emissions equipment was still on the truck but EGR and DEF was disabled. DPF still functioned. The numbers were like yours, Single digit wear metals.

Ironically I have a CR170 turbo, downpipe and 3Ē cat-back exhaust that I bought for this car a month before the VW emissions scandal broke. I never installed it because I didnít know what was going to happen. Iím gonna have to sell the delete kit and all my extra parts when I do the buyback.

Re: '09 TDI - LM Top Tec 4200 w/ LM Mos2 - 8K mile OCI [Re: CleverUserName] #4728126
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Wow, that's crazy. Thanks for the info.

I still have the stock turbo with Malone's stage 2 tune on my car. I'm sure I'll replace it with a CR170 + stage 3 at some point if the turbo goes or my DMF/clutch wears out/fails.


2013 VW Golf TDI 6MT (DPF/EGR delete w/ tune)
2018 VW Tiguan SE 4MO
1991 BMW 535i (project)
Re: '09 TDI - LM Top Tec 4200 w/ LM Mos2 - 8K mile OCI [Re: DerekG] #4729524
04/17/18 03:26 AM
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Originally Posted By: DerekG
Wow, that's crazy. Thanks for the info.

I still have the stock turbo with Malone's stage 2 tune on my car. I'm sure I'll replace it with a CR170 + stage 3 at some point if the turbo goes or my DMF/clutch wears out/fails.


Yes stage III is kinda extreme. It's not just the clutch and DMF that needs to be replaced, the transmission synchros aren't strong enough for the torque peak at 2200 RPM. There were a bunch of guys who broke their synchros with this tune. Some had custom brass ones made. This was a couple years ago and I don't follow the threads anymore, maybe someone is making brass synchros for these cars now or there is another solution.

I was going to do a custom stage II tune w/ the CR170 turbo.

The tuner I bought the stuff from said the CR170 turbo would give me a much wider powerband, with more usable power at the top end than the stock turbo ever could.

Re: '09 TDI - LM Top Tec 4200 w/ LM Mos2 - 8K mile OCI [Re: CleverUserName] #4729999
04/17/18 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted By: CleverUserName

I was going to do a custom stage II tune w/ the CR170 turbo.

The tuner I bought the stuff from said the CR170 turbo would give me a much wider powerband, with more usable power at the top end than the stock turbo ever could.


I like that idea. I really don't want to break anything.

Last edited by DerekG; 04/17/18 02:47 PM.

2013 VW Golf TDI 6MT (DPF/EGR delete w/ tune)
2018 VW Tiguan SE 4MO
1991 BMW 535i (project)
Re: '09 TDI - LM Top Tec 4200 w/ LM Mos2 - 8K mile OCI [Re: DerekG] #4733813
04/21/18 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted By: DerekG
Originally Posted By: CleverUserName

I was going to do a custom stage II tune w/ the CR170 turbo.

The tuner I bought the stuff from said the CR170 turbo would give me a much wider powerband, with more usable power at the top end than the stock turbo ever could.


I like that idea. I really don't want to break anything.


Smart idea. Not a good plan to turn your reliable car into an unreliable car for an extra 20 hp.

I also have a complete timing belt kit that I will also need to sell. All new VAG parts purchased from the dealer. I think it was close to $800 for everything.

I have everything that should be replaced while the timing belt is off: including the serpentine belt, tensioner, idler pulleys, all new TTY bolts, oil pump hex key, camshaft and other assorted seals, etc.. etc.. etc.. too much stuff to remember.

However I did not get a water pump as I wanted to use an aftermarket pump with a metal impeller.

Let me know if you want any parts or the timing belt kit. If so, make me an offer. Good luck with your Golf.

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