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Hot Shot's Secret TBN Booster #4722925
04/10/18 04:25 PM
04/10/18 04:25 PM
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SirTanon Online content OP
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So I was just poking around on Amazon, looking up a few things I'd seen down at the local truck stop (FR3, most specifically, also by Hot Shot's), when I came across this stuff:

Hot Shot's Secret TBN Booster


The bottle lists it as an "Engine Oil Detergent Booster", and the description says:

- Increase oil change interval
- Reduce maintenance and vehicle servicing times
- Can be utilized with any commercially Available engine oil
- Increase neutralization capacity of engine oil

Now, I'm not trying to say anything good or bad about it, nor have I bought it, nor even thinking about buying it.. it just got me thinking.

I'm curious if anyone here knows anything about it or has ever used it, as well as what some of the more chemical-educated folks here might have to say about it. Any value to using something like this to extend an OCI in a vehicle with very stout filtration?


2010 Ford Fusion SE - 2.5 liter/6F35 Trans - 268,000mi
2014 Nissan Altima SL - 2.5 liter/CVT - 61,000mi
Re: Hot Shot's Secret TBN Booster [Re: SirTanon] #4722944
04/10/18 05:02 PM
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Soooo many magic marketing words here:

"Hot Shot's"
"Secret"
"high performance"
"fortified"
"nano lubricant"

I would say there's very little value, if any at all, in using an additive like this to boost TBN. I would say that you'd get more benefit out of topping off your oil with what is already in it over the course of an extended OCI.

Re: Hot Shot's Secret TBN Booster [Re: SirTanon] #4722974
04/10/18 05:33 PM
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I would never put anything like that in any of my engines.

Re: Hot Shot's Secret TBN Booster [Re: JustN89] #4722981
04/10/18 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted By: JustN89
I would say there's very little value, if any at all, in using an additive like this to boost TBN. I would say that you'd get more benefit out of topping off your oil with what is already in it over the course of an extended OCI.

Precisely. The marketing claims of:

- Increase oil change interval
- Reduce maintenance and vehicle servicing times
- Can be utilized with any commercially Available engine oil
- Increase neutralization capacity of engine oil

Are all things that are also accomplished by adding a fresh quart of oil.

Typical claims that when examined mean nothing.


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Re: Hot Shot's Secret TBN Booster [Re: SirTanon] #4723002
04/10/18 06:00 PM
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"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: Hot Shot's Secret TBN Booster [Re: Linctex] #4723006
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Mineral oil - 91%
Branched Alkylphenol and Calcium branched Alkylphenol - 7%
Ethylene Glycol - 2%


Ethylene Glycol ?!?!?!?!?!!?


"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: Hot Shot's Secret TBN Booster [Re: SirTanon] #4723007
04/10/18 06:03 PM
04/10/18 06:03 PM
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The land of USA-made Subies!
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The land of USA-made Subies!
Also specifies diesel engines ONLY.

Re: Hot Shot's Secret TBN Booster [Re: Linctex] #4723076
04/10/18 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted By: Linctex


Mineral oil - 91%
Branched Alkylphenol and Calcium branched Alkylphenol - 7%
Ethylene Glycol - 2%


Ethylene Glycol ?!?!?!?!?!!?


Gives you all the benefits of a leaky head gasket???


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Re: Hot Shot's Secret TBN Booster [Re: SirTanon] #4723099
04/10/18 07:40 PM
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Somewhere in time
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Somewhere in time
No


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Grandma's creampuff...
Re: Hot Shot's Secret TBN Booster [Re: Virtus_Probi] #4723382
04/11/18 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted By: Virtus_Probi

Gives you all the benefits of a leaky head gasket???

Well done LOL

Re: Hot Shot's Secret TBN Booster [Re: SirTanon] #4723526
04/11/18 10:28 AM
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SirTanon Online content OP
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Well, this thread certainly didn't disappoint. As I said, I had no plans to buy it, but I was curious what others thought.. pretty much what I expected. Thanks everyone!


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2014 Nissan Altima SL - 2.5 liter/CVT - 61,000mi
Re: Hot Shot's Secret TBN Booster [Re: SirTanon] #4723531
04/11/18 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted By: SirTanon


...I'm curious if anyone here knows anything about it or has ever used it, as well as what some of the more chemical-educated folks here might have to say about it. Any value to using something like this to extend an OCI in a vehicle with very stout filtration?


No real value.

Too much calcium sulfonate can compete with the AW additive. I.E., I can get a somewhat clean engine but my wear metals could go sky high.

Furthermore, how does this additive or you know the instantaneous TBN of your oil and how much to add?

Run Forest, Run!


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Re: Hot Shot's Secret TBN Booster [Re: SirTanon] #4725910
04/13/18 02:37 PM
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I work for HSS, so I thought I could shed some light on the intention of the product. TBN is the detergent additive in oils and serves two purposes in diesel oils. The first is to control deposits on the hot parts of the engine such as pistons and turbo bearings and the 2nd purpose is to neutralize acidic products of combustion from the fuel that can cause corrosive wear. The TBN booster is really intended for diesel owners that wish to extend the oil change intervals while running a quality synthetic oil and bypass filtration. Diesels require a higher TBN than automotive oils due to the soot and sulfur in the fuel, the TBN is consumed over time. Our customers would use oil analysis as a guide to determine the correct amount of TBN to be added. Generally if your oil starts at a 7 TBN and it has decreased to a 3 we would recommend adding enough detergent to bring the oil back to the original level. It is true that TBN detergents fight for the surface against anti-wear additive so that is the reason we recommend using oil analysis as a guide and target the original TBN when boosting the oil.

Re: Hot Shot's Secret TBN Booster [Re: desllife812] #4726893
04/14/18 02:47 PM
04/14/18 02:47 PM
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What? "TBN is the detergent additive in oils"?

Originally Posted By: desllife812
I work for HSS, so I thought I could shed some light on the intention of the product. TBN is the detergent additive in oils and serves two purposes in diesel oils. The first is to control deposits on the hot parts of the engine such as pistons and turbo bearings and the 2nd purpose is to neutralize acidic products of combustion from the fuel that can cause corrosive wear. The TBN booster is really intended for diesel owners that wish to extend the oil change intervals while running a quality synthetic oil and bypass filtration. Diesels require a higher TBN than automotive oils due to the soot and sulfur in the fuel, the TBN is consumed over time. Our customers would use oil analysis as a guide to determine the correct amount of TBN to be added. Generally if your oil starts at a 7 TBN and it has decreased to a 3 we would recommend adding enough detergent to bring the oil back to the original level. It is true that TBN detergents fight for the surface against anti-wear additive so that is the reason we recommend using oil analysis as a guide and target the original TBN when boosting the oil.


1994 BMW 530i, 241K
1996 Honda Accord, 267K
1999 Toyota Sienna, 409K
2000 Toyota ECHO, 280K
Re: Hot Shot's Secret TBN Booster [Re: desllife812] #4726939
04/14/18 03:43 PM
04/14/18 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted By: desllife812
I work for HSS, so I thought I could shed some light on the intention of the product. TBN is the detergent additive in oils and serves two purposes in diesel oils. The first is to control deposits on the hot parts of the engine such as pistons and turbo bearings and the 2nd purpose is to neutralize acidic products of combustion from the fuel that can cause corrosive wear....



I think you had better go back and review Chem 101 dude.

TBN is NOT the detergent additive in finished lubricants.

Any responsible person responsible for the well being of a fleet of diesels will monitor TBN and CHANGE the oil when it gets to the condemnation level.

Last edited by MolaKule; 04/14/18 03:45 PM.

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