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Shops sometimes over-torque lug nuts #4720310
04/08/18 07:47 AM
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Can over-torqued lug nuts cause ride issues at high speeds? At 80 my new tires feel like they're bouncing.
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Re: Shops sometimes over-torque lug nuts [Re: jorton] #4720312
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Rarely but IF you have lug-centric (aftermarket) rims without centering rings AND if they ran the first lug home hard before putting the rest on the rim could be cocked on the hub face making a bad ride.

Re: Shops sometimes over-torque lug nuts [Re: jorton] #4720320
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Overtightened lug nuts can cause warping of the rotors and vibrations. Especially tightened along one side first.


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Re: Shops sometimes over-torque lug nuts [Re: jorton] #4720331
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Some ham fisted idjit over torqued the Rat's front studs until they stretched and spun in the hub. I had to split the nuts on 3 studs to get the LF wheel off


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Re: Shops sometimes over-torque lug nuts [Re: tcp71] #4720342
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Originally Posted By: tcp71
Overtightened lug nuts can cause warping of the rotors and vibrations. Especially tightened along one side first.

Is rotor warp permanent or will it return to normal when I re-torque? Does over-torquing have similar effect on rear drums?


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Re: Shops sometimes over-torque lug nuts [Re: jorton] #4720362
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Wheel nut torque specs

http://www.jegs.com/images/photos/300/326/326-wheelnuttorquespecs.pdf

or check your owners manual

Last edited by 03s; 04/08/18 08:50 AM.

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Re: Shops sometimes over-torque lug nuts [Re: 03s] #4720382
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Thanks for the chart. I replaced 2 piece nuts on the jeep with one piece Dorman nuts yesterday.


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Re: Shops sometimes over-torque lug nuts [Re: jorton] #4720391
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Last year, thanks to over-torquing, the vibrations grew so bad I replaced all the rotors (after trying to live with it for six months). The next day I bought a torque wrench.

The chain where I bought the tires offers free wheel rotations, so now, as soon as the car is back in the parking lot after a rotation, I loosen every nut, then give the wrench a workout. A hundred kilometres later I do it again, all of it a real pain in the winter — and elsewhere.

I'll never buy tires there again. But now, because of the wrench, I don't have to take any tire shop's word for it — and I won't.


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Re: Shops sometimes over-torque lug nuts [Re: jorton] #4720397
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Originally Posted By: jorton
Originally Posted By: tcp71
Overtightened lug nuts can cause warping of the rotors and vibrations. Especially tightened along one side first.

Is rotor warp permanent or will it return to normal when I re-torque? Does over-torquing have similar effect on rear drums?


It’s permanent.


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Re: Shops sometimes over-torque lug nuts [Re: jorton] #4720399
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Son’s F150 has 89k and a couple weeks after Firestone put a set of AT’s on … got a brake warning...

Pulled both a F/R wheel to check pads (truck bought used, no history) and the factory wrench had no chance.
(Son is 6-3’ and 260) …even with a longer cross wrench it took all either of us had to break them = crazy … and all dozen we took off were like that …
Put the cross wrench in the truck …


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Re: Shops sometimes over-torque lug nuts [Re: Uphill_Both_Ways] #4720491
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You just can't trust anyone. It's never too late to try to do things right.


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Re: Shops sometimes over-torque lug nuts [Re: jorton] #4720526
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I just don't let anyone touch lug nuts or drain plugs. The most important fasteners usually cranked on by the lowest paid young fellas too often thinking about girls, ect and not what they're doing.

Re: Shops sometimes over-torque lug nuts [Re: jorton] #4720584
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Shops always over-torque lug nuts. FTFY smile

The only exceptions I know of are DT and Walmart, and possibly a small number local/regional places.

Re: Shops sometimes over-torque lug nuts [Re: jorton] #4720616
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The indy tire shop I like hand torques wheels and makes customers sign a little slip saying they will come back for a retorque in about 100 miles.
I just take care of it with my own torque wrench, and there are almost always a couple of nuts that actually need it. I have noticed the same thing when I swap my own wheels.


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Re: Shops sometimes over-torque lug nuts [Re: jorton] #4723551
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How does a rotor warp by over torquing? It's a thick slab of cast iron.

I think you would damage the threads, studs/bolts, or the wheel before damaging the rotor.


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