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API SN Plus coming in May 2018! #4718639
04/06/18 05:39 PM
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I'm surprised that this hasn't been big news here. The next "minor" update to the API PCMO is coming next month. It will be called API SN Plus and it's a minor update before API SP becomes available in around 2020 so that they will have oils already certified for LSPI protection in TGDI engines (or in any other engine in which it happens) without having to wait for that. Pennzoil will be the first company to offer it in May 2018. Be the first one to put it in your engine!

It only includes LSPI protection. Unfortunately there is no timing-chain protection. For timing-chain protection in TGDI engines, avoid 0W-xx oils for now until the test is included in API SP and use 5W-xx or, preferably, 10W-xx or thicker (see what's thick oil).



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Re: API SN Plus coming in May 2018! [Re: Gokhan] #4718643
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https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4631612/Re:_Est_first_use_date_for_API

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4679768/Why_isn't_Pennzoil_Ultra_Plati


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Re: API SN Plus coming in May 2018! [Re: Gokhan] #4718648
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Great White North.. eh
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Very interesting!

Does this make Dexos 1G2 obsolete?


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Re: API SN Plus coming in May 2018! [Re: Gokhan] #4718653
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The Kendall Synthetic Blend I plan to use next already is SN Plus. Pennzoil says it's oils already meet it as well.





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Re: API SN Plus coming in May 2018! [Re: Gokhan] #4718654
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Valvoline’s reformulated synthetics VAS and VME both are SN + right now. I’m sure other major brands are as well.

Last edited by PimTac; 04/06/18 05:50 PM.

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Re: API SN Plus coming in May 2018! [Re: webfors] #4718657
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Originally Posted By: webfors
Very interesting!

Does this make Dexos 1G2 obsolete?


d1G2 goes a step further with timing-chain protection as identified by Gokhan in the introductory post.


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Re: API SN Plus coming in May 2018! [Re: Gokhan] #4718667
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So why is this called SN + instead of SO (or I would guess SP since O looks like 0)?
We have been on SN for quite a while now.


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Re: API SN Plus coming in May 2018! [Re: wemay] #4718668
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Originally Posted By: wemay
Originally Posted By: webfors
Very interesting!

Does this make Dexos 1G2 obsolete?


d1G2 goes a step further with timing-chain protection as identified by Gokhan in the introductory post.


Dexos also limits the MRV to 2/3 of the API value.

It's definitely a spec that is desirable to have in an oil.

Pick SN, ACEA, Dexos, and the german specs over "just SN GF-5"

Re: API SN Plus coming in May 2018! [Re: Gokhan] #4718700
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Re: API SN Plus coming in May 2018! [Re: blupupher] #4718706
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Originally Posted By: blupupher
So why is this called SN + instead of SO (or I would guess SP since O looks like 0)?
We have been on SN for quite a while now.


The next spec to be released was supposed to be SP, but delays in developing the qualification tests has led to a delay. The "SO" designation was skipped because it was too easily confused for "S0". The API has also skipped other designations in the past, such as SI and SK, because they would have been confused as being for spark ignition engines only.


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Re: API SN Plus coming in May 2018! [Re: Gokhan] #4718802
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API's SP should be made equivalent to at least A1/B1-12 spec (remember, ACEA dropped A1/B1 from the 2016 sequence)

Re: API SN Plus coming in May 2018! [Re: Gokhan] #4718937
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Colors donīt match with title in that spider graph laugh .


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Re: API SN Plus coming in May 2018! [Re: Hammehead] #4718943
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Originally Posted By: Hammehead
Colors donīt match with title in that spider graph laugh .

red + blue = purple wink

It's a GIF image. Let's see if this works:



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Mobil 1 EP M1-103 filter, 90430-12031 drain gasket
Re: API SN Plus coming in May 2018! [Re: Gokhan] #4718977
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Purple is the overlapping of SN and SN Plus.
Red is the extra protection SN Plus extends past SN.
Blue shows the limit of SN.


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Re: API SN Plus coming in May 2018! [Re: Gokhan] #4719383
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Hopefully there's a mass clearance of SN oils at chain stores to go along with it.


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