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attention cheap oil users #4718584
04/06/18 04:56 PM
04/06/18 04:56 PM
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New Jersey
93cruiser Offline OP
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New Jersey
So, why do you buy cheap oil?

Example, walmart supertech synthetic 5qt, 15.68.
Mobil 1 sythetic 5qt, 23.97
Price difference =8.29, or 1.65 a quart

1.65 a quart. 1.65 a quart savings for "ok" oil, certainly not great oil.

Say you run 5k mile interval.
15.68/5000=.003136 per mile cost
23.97/5000=.004794 per mile cost

Really? Why would you just not buy better oil? The savings is basically nothing, and works out to pennies a day.

I am all for saving. If I got oil daily, or weekly, maybe cheap oil makes sense. But not for 5k miles.

I know it all adds up, but if you buy a car to keep it, why use toned down oil for basically no measurable savings?

Ok, so let me have it, tell me how I am wrong.

Re: attention cheap oil users [Re: 93cruiser] #4718585
04/06/18 04:59 PM
04/06/18 04:59 PM
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Phoenix, AZ
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Originally Posted By: 93cruiser
Why would you just not buy better oil?


Because, who says it’s better?


2015 Hyundai Sonata 2.4L 86k Mobil 1 AFE 0w30 & OEM
2000 Toyota Camry 2.2L 230k Valvoline 5w30 & Fram Ultra
1996 Jeep Cherokee 4.0L 147k Mobil 1 HM 10w40 & Fram Ultra
Re: attention cheap oil users [Re: 93cruiser] #4718586
04/06/18 04:59 PM
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MA
Wolf359 Online content
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Actually Mobil 1 with the $12 rebate is even cheaper.

Re: attention cheap oil users [Re: 93cruiser] #4718587
04/06/18 04:59 PM
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First we have to determine what the meaning of “better” means. Price is not a deciding factor. A cheaper oil that meets the same specs as the more expensive one is a better value.

When you buy a major brand name you are also paying for ads, sponsorships, etc


2017 Mazda CX-5 GT.

Valvoline Modern Engine 0w20
Mobil 1 EP 108A
Re: attention cheap oil users [Re: 93cruiser] #4718589
04/06/18 05:00 PM
04/06/18 05:00 PM
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USA
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Kmart often has Smitty's oil on sale for $7-8 a jug, well under $2/qt, which is a good price for a quality synthetic blend motor oil that meets SN standards. It is 10% group IV PAO.

You don't need anything more for most non-European cars for the factory OCI.

Plus, if you are burning or leaking oil, there is no reason not to save money with a less expensive oil smile

Some people do not like rebates and want the best price pre-rebate or no-rebate.

Re: attention cheap oil users [Re: 93cruiser] #4718602
04/06/18 05:11 PM
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Scenario:

Just walk in the store, see what's less expensive than a name brand but meets the same specs needed, buy it and move on to other things.

1. They don't care what someone else tells them is "better". To each his own.
2. They care even less about rebates.
3. What they've used in the past continues to work just fine for their needs.


'18 Sportage LX AWD Pennzoil Platinum 5w20
'13 Santa Fe Sport 2.0T Castrol GTX Magnatec 5w30
Re: attention cheap oil users [Re: 93cruiser] #4718605
04/06/18 05:15 PM
04/06/18 05:15 PM
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ROCHESTER, NY
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I put as much as 340,000 miles on vehicles using store brand oils(SuperTech, AAP, AZ, ProLine etc.)@ 5K mile OCI's. And over 200K miles on many other cars.


"Retired"
-----------------------------------

'80 Firebird FORMULA V8/4bbl-purchased "NEW"
'15 Nissan Altima 2.5 SV
'15 Honda Civic LX
Re: attention cheap oil users [Re: 93cruiser] #4718606
04/06/18 05:16 PM
04/06/18 05:16 PM
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Nebraska
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I am using TSC travelers motor oil and have for several years now, it has the starburst and it is good enough. No issues yet and usually less that $3.00 per quart. Leaves me with more $ to spend on other important household essential like beer and ammo.


2010 Forester:122K
2009 Sonata :189K
2010 Tucson:55K

OCI 5K using the cheapest dino oil I can buy,usually NAPA or TSC Travelers oil.
Re: attention cheap oil users [Re: 93cruiser] #4718608
04/06/18 05:17 PM
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Olathe, KS
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Do you also go and buy the most expensive gas in town?


2004 Toyota 4Runner | 179k | PYB 5w-30
2012 VW Passat | 83k | Castrol Professional 5w-40
Re: attention cheap oil users [Re: wemay] #4718613
04/06/18 05:20 PM
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Nebraska
BJD78 Offline
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Exactly,and rebates are a pain to deal with and most of the time when you get a rebate, if you get one it is many weeks later. I do not care for rebates at all. I have tried Menards rebates a time or 2 and either never got it or the rebate check came so many months later that I no longer cared about it. Rebates are a scam IMO. Stores should just discount the product and be done with it.


2010 Forester:122K
2009 Sonata :189K
2010 Tucson:55K

OCI 5K using the cheapest dino oil I can buy,usually NAPA or TSC Travelers oil.
Re: attention cheap oil users [Re: 93cruiser] #4718615
04/06/18 05:22 PM
04/06/18 05:22 PM
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Kendall, FL
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Originally Posted By: 93cruiser
...if you buy a car to keep it, why use toned down oil for basically no measurable savings?



Conversely, are you saying that store brand oils are not good enough to maintain a car someone wants to keep for a long time? I have yet to see any study bearing this out.


'18 Sportage LX AWD Pennzoil Platinum 5w20
'13 Santa Fe Sport 2.0T Castrol GTX Magnatec 5w30
Re: attention cheap oil users [Re: 93cruiser] #4718616
04/06/18 05:23 PM
04/06/18 05:23 PM
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Indiana
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Originally Posted By: 93cruiser
So, why do you buy cheap oil?

Example, walmart supertech synthetic 5qt, 15.68.
Mobil 1 sythetic 5qt, 23.97
Price difference =8.29, or 1.65 a quart

1.65 a quart. 1.65 a quart savings for "ok" oil, certainly not great oil.

Say you run 5k mile interval.
15.68/5000=.003136 per mile cost
23.97/5000=.004794 per mile cost

Really? Why would you just not buy better oil? The savings is basically nothing, and works out to pennies a day.

I am all for saving. If I got oil daily, or weekly, maybe cheap oil makes sense. But not for 5k miles.

I know it all adds up, but if you buy a car to keep it, why use toned down oil for basically no measurable savings?

Ok, so let me have it, tell me how I am wrong.



You're wrong.

If it meets the spec, how is it cheap?

You just said you are all for saving so I think you answered your own question.


03 Jeep WJ 4.0 200k Castrol Edge 10w40 HM Fram XG16
02 Volvo S60 2.4T 177k M1 0w40 Mahle OX149D
97 Chevy Blazer 4.3 149k Rotella T5 10w30 Supertech ST3980

Re: attention cheap oil users [Re: Char Baby] #4718623
04/06/18 05:27 PM
04/06/18 05:27 PM
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Oshawa, Ont. Canada
irv Offline
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Originally Posted By: Nick1994
Originally Posted By: 93cruiser
Why would you just not buy better oil?


Because, who says it’s better?


Originally Posted By: Char Baby
I put as much as 340,000 miles on vehicles using store brand oils(SuperTech, AAP, AZ, ProLine etc.)@ 5K mile OCI's. And over 200K miles on many other cars.


Exactly! Just because it is more expensive doesn't necessarily mean its better. I use to use Mobil syn but read, UOA after terrible UOA, that it wasn't all it's cracked up to be.

I switched to Pennzoil syn, which received better UOAs and I haven't looked back since.

However, with that being said, I also question myself more and more, if I should even be purchasing the cheaper, but not cheapest, Pennzoil syn oil? shrug

Personally, I think if oils "Never" went on sale, I'd likely be using a cheaper ($$) store brand oil myself.

PYB non syn is all I likely need for my applications, but like others, I have been bitten by the sny bug believing they are superior. Many non syns nowadays are excellent oils, and a whole lot cheaper too.

Last edited by irv; 04/06/18 05:34 PM.

2017 Chevy Impala 3.6 L.
2013 Ram 5.7 L Hemi Bighorn QC 4x4
2008 Chevy Malibu 2.4 L Ecotec
Pennzoil Platinum and/or Pennzoil Ultra Platinum for all 3.
Re: attention cheap oil users [Re: Nick1994] #4718631
04/06/18 05:32 PM
04/06/18 05:32 PM
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Nebraska
BJD78 Offline
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Nebraska
Exactly, even the Blackstone lab guys tend to use regular oil in their own vehicles because it works just as well. They state that much right on the Blackstone website in the FAQ tab.


2010 Forester:122K
2009 Sonata :189K
2010 Tucson:55K

OCI 5K using the cheapest dino oil I can buy,usually NAPA or TSC Travelers oil.
Re: attention cheap oil users [Re: 93cruiser] #4718635
04/06/18 05:35 PM
04/06/18 05:35 PM
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NY
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NY
I alternate between synthetic for cold weather and conventional for warmer weather . The longer OCI for winter keeps me from doing outdoor oil changes in the cold . No issues with Synthetic Valvoline or Formula Shell .

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