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Nick Kristof Argues w Straw Men on Guns; Loses #4717046
04/05/18 08:49 AM
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Good points https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/04/nick-kristof-argues-with-straw-men-about-guns-straw-men-win/


New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof. (CBS via YouTube)
If you can’t win an argument even when you stack the deck in your favor . . .
Yesterday, the New York Times’ Nick Kristof posted a column that purported to tell his readership “how to win an argument about guns.” I’m interested to read good arguments from the other side, so I clicked eager to find how Kristof would best an informed gun-rights advocate in debate.

The short answer, it turns out, is that he wouldn’t.

The column’s pattern is simple: Kristof posits a primitive caricature of a gun-rights argument, delivers a thoroughly inadequate response designed to settle the issue, and then repeats the cycle. In other words, he erects one straw man after another and fails to best any of them.

Last edited by clarkflower; 04/05/18 08:58 AM.
Re: Nick Kristof Argues w Straw Men on Guns; Loses [Re: clarkflower] #4717091
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Same-O, Same-O ...


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Re: Nick Kristof Argues w Straw Men on Guns; Loses [Re: clarkflower] #4717097
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The New York Times. That’s all you need to know to determine the bias.


Cannot see signatures any longer so it doesn’t matter.
Re: Nick Kristof Argues w Straw Men on Guns; Loses [Re: clarkflower] #4717147
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Propaganda is the big boy word for fake news.


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Re: Nick Kristof Argues w Straw Men on Guns; Loses [Re: clarkflower] #4717307
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They're not talking to US ...they're talking to their own ...If they don't constantly pressurize the thought void with emotional spam some rational construct may start to seep in.

Re: Nick Kristof Argues w Straw Men on Guns; Loses [Re: clarkflower] #4717360
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Who's behind it? Who could it be??


Scambling for solutions is a hopelessly futile endeavour and potentially dangerous, without first coming to a solid, personal understanding of the problem. Beware riding the ideological hobby horse.
Re: Nick Kristof Argues w Straw Men on Guns; Loses [Re: clarkflower] #4717395
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Once and a while someone shows up with plain and simple common sense!


Re: Nick Kristof Argues w Straw Men on Guns; Loses [Re: clarkflower] #4717417
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Merriam-Webster changed their definition of an "Assault Rifle", FIVE days ago.

No anti-Constitution bias there..

Re: Nick Kristof Argues w Straw Men on Guns; Loses [Re: CT8] #4717538
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Originally Posted By: CT8
Propaganda is the big boy word for fake news.


Which means "fake news" and straw man arguments have been around as long as more than one human being has been on earth.

Re: Nick Kristof Argues w Straw Men on Guns; Loses [Re: billt460] #4717547
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Originally Posted By: billt460
Once and a while someone shows up with plain and simple common sense!



Keep our rights, or rebel and over throw and make is so. The way things are going, it could actually happen sometime down the line.

Re: Nick Kristof Argues w Straw Men on Guns; Loses [Re: clarkflower] #4717608
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