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#4717046 - 04/05/18 09:49 AM Nick Kristof Argues w Straw Men on Guns; Loses
clarkflower Offline


Registered: 12/27/11
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Good points https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/04/nick-kristof-argues-with-straw-men-about-guns-straw-men-win/


New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof. (CBS via YouTube)
If you canít win an argument even when you stack the deck in your favor . . .
Yesterday, the New York Timesí Nick Kristof posted a column that purported to tell his readership ďhow to win an argument about guns.Ē Iím interested to read good arguments from the other side, so I clicked eager to find how Kristof would best an informed gun-rights advocate in debate.

The short answer, it turns out, is that he wouldnít.

The columnís pattern is simple: Kristof posits a primitive caricature of a gun-rights argument, delivers a thoroughly inadequate response designed to settle the issue, and then repeats the cycle. In other words, he erects one straw man after another and fails to best any of them.


Edited by clarkflower (04/05/18 09:58 AM)

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#4717091 - 04/05/18 10:35 AM Re: Nick Kristof Argues w Straw Men on Guns; Loses [Re: clarkflower]
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Same-O, Same-O ...
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#4717097 - 04/05/18 10:42 AM Re: Nick Kristof Argues w Straw Men on Guns; Loses [Re: clarkflower]
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The New York Times. Thatís all you need to know to determine the bias.
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#4717147 - 04/05/18 11:25 AM Re: Nick Kristof Argues w Straw Men on Guns; Loses [Re: clarkflower]
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Propaganda is the big boy word for fake news.
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#4717307 - 04/05/18 03:15 PM Re: Nick Kristof Argues w Straw Men on Guns; Loses [Re: clarkflower]
Kawiguy454 Offline


Registered: 06/01/15
Posts: 567
Loc: Arizona
They're not talking to US ...they're talking to their own ...If they don't constantly pressurize the thought void with emotional spam some rational construct may start to seep in.

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#4717360 - 04/05/18 04:09 PM Re: Nick Kristof Argues w Straw Men on Guns; Loses [Re: clarkflower]
PeterPolyol Offline


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Who's behind it? Who could it be??

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#4717395 - 04/05/18 04:39 PM Re: Nick Kristof Argues w Straw Men on Guns; Loses [Re: clarkflower]
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Registered: 03/30/15
Posts: 4064
Loc: Glendale, Arizona
Once and a while someone shows up with plain and simple common sense!


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#4717417 - 04/05/18 05:11 PM Re: Nick Kristof Argues w Straw Men on Guns; Loses [Re: clarkflower]
02SE Offline


Registered: 12/30/05
Posts: 2565
Loc: The Canyons
Merriam-Webster changed their definition of an "Assault Rifle", FIVE days ago.

No anti-Constitution bias there..

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#4717538 - 04/05/18 07:06 PM Re: Nick Kristof Argues w Straw Men on Guns; Loses [Re: CT8]
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Originally Posted By: CT8
Propaganda is the big boy word for fake news.


Which means "fake news" and straw man arguments have been around as long as more than one human being has been on earth.
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#4717547 - 04/05/18 07:13 PM Re: Nick Kristof Argues w Straw Men on Guns; Loses [Re: billt460]
ZeeOSix Offline


Registered: 07/22/10
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Originally Posted By: billt460
Once and a while someone shows up with plain and simple common sense!



Keep our rights, or rebel and over throw and make is so. The way things are going, it could actually happen sometime down the line.
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#4717608 - 04/05/18 08:02 PM Re: Nick Kristof Argues w Straw Men on Guns; Loses [Re: clarkflower]
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