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#4716807 - 04/05/18 04:32 AM Home defence Alfoil ball ???
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#4716818 - 04/05/18 05:24 AM Re: Home defence Alfoil ball ??? [Re: Shannow]
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#4716820 - 04/05/18 05:28 AM Re: Home defence Alfoil ball ??? [Re: Shannow]
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Nice idea. I like00 buck. If you want to see something cool check out Flechettes aka Satin's Toothpicks.
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#4716822 - 04/05/18 05:33 AM Re: Home defence Alfoil ball ??? [Re: Shannow]
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If you want cheap, Cabela's has the same thing for a buck a round.

https://www.cabelas.com/product/Herters-reg-Defense-Shotshells/1555113.uts


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#4716843 - 04/05/18 06:25 AM Re: Home defence Alfoil ball ??? [Re: Shannow]
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I've tried compressed aluminium foil "crumple" bound with veg oil as a body filler. Seems to work, and have some potential, but I don't do cosmetic repairs so I havn't tested it extensively.

If I ever have to make, say, an intake manifold, as in replacing my dodgy Aisin carburettor with 3 Nikei almost-like-SU-that-I-almost-understand-and-can-adjust motorcycle carbs, that might be a useful role for it.

As a projectile I think you'd need to be pretty close to the target. Wasn't clear from the video if it was spreading on impact dum-dum stylee, but it'd seem a possibility, though even then I'd doubt it offers any real advantage over casting the aluminium.

I think you can get lead foil that might be more effective. Wern't toothpaste tubes made out of some kind of heavy foil in the '50's/60's?

Incidentally from the chat on the range the guys seemed to be saying there was a "trend" for Americans to say (and presumably spell) aluminium correctly ("That's what the kids are calling it").

Whatever next?

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#4716863 - 04/05/18 06:55 AM Re: Home defence Alfoil ball ??? [Re: Shannow]
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Two ball thing, perhaps you could link them with some kevlar cord, give you something like chain shot.

I suppose amphibious landings from model saiboats aren't a big home invasion hazard. Might be effective against UAV's though.

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#4716876 - 04/05/18 07:13 AM Re: Home defence Alfoil ball ??? [Re: Ducked]
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Originally Posted By: Ducked
Two ball thing, perhaps you could link them with some kevlar cord, give you something like chain shot.


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#4716902 - 04/05/18 07:41 AM Re: Home defence Alfoil ball ??? [Re: Shannow]
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Aerodynamic drag from the link probably pulls the shot together. Perhaps a spring might work better?

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#4716995 - 04/05/18 08:55 AM Re: Home defence Alfoil ball ??? [Re: Shannow]
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Remember home defense can get tricky,,,I do not have any perfect answers ,,,,A good old Mossberg 12 ga works for us,,,pump and go....
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#4717065 - 04/05/18 10:10 AM Re: Home defence Alfoil ball ??? [Re: billt460]
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Originally Posted By: billt460
If you want cheap, Cabela's has the same thing for a buck a round.

https://www.cabelas.com/product/Herters-reg-Defense-Shotshells/1555113.uts



That looks really terrible. No more of a "footprint" than a slug, but with absolute [censored] for accuracy.

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#4717101 - 04/05/18 10:49 AM Re: Home defence Alfoil ball ??? [Re: Ws6]
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Originally Posted By: Ws6
That looks really terrible. No more of a "footprint" than a slug, but with absolute [censored] for accuracy.


At home defense range, (10 yards / 30 feet), it was right in the boiler room. Can't ask for more than that.

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#4717157 - 04/05/18 11:36 AM Re: Home defence Alfoil ball ??? [Re: Shannow]
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Shannow do you guys say Aluminium or Aluminum?

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#4717177 - 04/05/18 12:00 PM Re: Home defence Alfoil ball ??? [Re: Shannow]
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I thought about loading with rock salt. Less lethal and more painful. Win win.
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#4717283 - 04/05/18 02:35 PM Re: Home defence Alfoil ball ??? [Re: Dyusik]
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Originally Posted By: Dyusik
I thought about loading with rock salt. Less lethal and more painful. Win win.


I think rock salt is more wives tale than anything. According to this test, you'd have to be within 10-12 feet for the salt to have enough energy to penetrate skin. That's way too close for comfort, although possible in a home defense situation.

https://www.theboxotruth.com/the-box-o-truth-33-rock-salt-in-a-shotgun/

I get your less lethal being a win comment. However, if a bad guy is in my house and lethal force was justified, I'd rather scrape his remains off the walls than make him mad with some salt on the skin.
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#4717354 - 04/05/18 04:05 PM Re: Home defence Alfoil ball ??? [Re: Reddy45]
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Originally Posted By: Reddy45
Shannow do you guys say Aluminium or Aluminum?


Aluminium, like titanium

That's why I stuck with "Alfoil"

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