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#4716506 - 04/04/18 07:04 PM Video: GM 5.3 flexing under load - is this normal?
HawkeyeScott Offline


Registered: 01/11/07
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Iíve been chasing what has felt like movement in the driveline on my 2008 Suburban 5.3 with the 4L60E. I thought I had it licked after replacing the driverís side motor mount last week. Now, it feels like the movement has returned, though not as bad as before. I just took this video (link below) of the engine moving up on the drivers side under load. Wondering if you all would take a look and let me know if you think this is normal. Again, the mount on this side is one week old. Itís OEM ACDelco FWIW.

If the mount is bad, I have to figure out if it was a lemon or if something is going on that is breaking that mount on that side. Thanks a lot. This is driving me crazy.

https://youtu.be/8A92zWaaPcE

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#4716511 - 04/04/18 07:07 PM Re: Video: GM 5.3 flexing under load - is this normal? [Re: HawkeyeScott]
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Motor mounts should be replaced in pairs. But some movement is normal.

I'd be more worried about that awful buzzing sound.
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#4716518 - 04/04/18 07:19 PM Re: Video: GM 5.3 flexing under load - is this normal? [Re: HawkeyeScott]
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IS YOUR TRANSMISSION MOUNT TIGHT? IT WORKS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE ENGINE MOUNTS. SOME FLEXING IS NORMAL.

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#4716527 - 04/04/18 07:28 PM Re: Video: GM 5.3 flexing under load - is this normal? [Re: HawkeyeScott]
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Yes. I did the transmission mount before I checked motor mount. Itís two weeks old. Changing it cut down on what I felt. Thatís what led me to keep looking when I ended up finding the failed motor mount.

Again, what Iím feeling is only on shifts. And really only on the 2-3 shift. Im starting to wonder if something is amiss inside the transmission and while new mounts have helped lessen itís effects, mounts are not the root issue.

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#4716532 - 04/04/18 07:34 PM Re: Video: GM 5.3 flexing under load - is this normal? [Re: HawkeyeScott]
4WD Online   confused


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Seems more mounts from that side are for sale on eBay Ö

Clinebarger should know Ö

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#4716553 - 04/04/18 08:02 PM Re: Video: GM 5.3 flexing under load - is this normal? [Re: 4WD]
clinebarger Offline


Registered: 12/19/13
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Originally Posted By: 4WD
Seems more mounts from that side are for sale on eBay Ö

Clinebarger should know Ö


The GMT900 platform is known for left motor mount (Torque side) failure.....Which is odd as the GMT800 platform used a very similar mount.
They usually rip apart when they fail & the engine will move A LOT more than in the video.

I would suspect a "sticky" Slip Yoke, I really need to know if your truck is 4wd or not??
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#4716566 - 04/04/18 08:17 PM Re: Video: GM 5.3 flexing under load - is this normal? [Re: HawkeyeScott]
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Thanks.

It is a 4wd. The yoke was the first thing I did, but only did it with ATF. (Apparently grease on the yoke in this application is a no no?). It didnít change anything, but using ATF, I didnít really expect it to. Part of me wants to do it with grease and see if that works, and then plan on doing the transfer case drain/refill.

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#4716585 - 04/04/18 08:41 PM Re: Video: GM 5.3 flexing under load - is this normal? [Re: HawkeyeScott]
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looks average.
can u find another same truck to compare to?
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#4716587 - 04/04/18 08:45 PM Re: Video: GM 5.3 flexing under load - is this normal? [Re: HawkeyeScott]
clinebarger Offline


Registered: 12/19/13
Posts: 1994
Loc: Fort Worth, Texas
It "only" happening on the 2-3 shift is interesting. Just so you know.....The 2-3 shift on a 4L60E will NEVER be perfectly "clean".

The 2nd Clutch (2/4 Band) has to be pushed OFF while at the same time the 3rd Clutch (3/4 Clutch) comes ON. This is Impossible to accomplish in a perfectly choreographed manner.
As the frictions wear.....The "Timing" can change.

On a good unit.....The 2nd Clutch coming Off & the 3rd Clutch coming On will Overlap ever so slightly.....Which in actuality is a 2nd-4th-3rd shift, But it's in 4th for such a small time on a good unit you can barely tell.

On a unit on the way-out, Heavily worn-out, Or built/modified with mismatched components....The 2nd Clutch will push off before the 3rd Clutch can come On, This will feel like a slip or as we call it a "Cut-Loose". In actuality...It's shifting 2nd-1st-3rd.

The 4L60E & derivatives NEVER used "Shift Timing Corrections" or "Adaptive Shift Strategies" to help mask friction wear like GM Transaxle units (4T65E etc) Because, Well.....It doesn't work on this unit!!

I don't even want to plant the seed that this is a transmission issue!! Maybe taking it to a good transmission technician for a test drive would be the best coarse of action.


Edited by clinebarger (04/04/18 08:47 PM)
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#4716602 - 04/04/18 09:05 PM Re: Video: GM 5.3 flexing under load - is this normal? [Re: HawkeyeScott]
clinebarger Offline


Registered: 12/19/13
Posts: 1994
Loc: Fort Worth, Texas
Originally Posted By: HawkeyeScott
Thanks.

It is a 4wd. The yoke was the first thing I did, but only did it with ATF. (Apparently grease on the yoke in this application is a no no?). It didnít change anything, but using ATF, I didnít really expect it to. Part of me wants to do it with grease and see if that works, and then plan on doing the transfer case drain/refill.


The 4wd Yoke gets a healthy supply of splash lube when the truck is moving, I have never personally seen wiping some ATF on the splines do any good. The 2wd trucks have a sleeve, The ATF in the trans cannot lube the splines.....Being the reason you can use grease.

For testing purposes.....You can absolutely use some grease on the splines!

In the end of all this mess, With GM issuing SEVERAL TSB's......The Slip Yokes were the problem all along. Not that we in the industry didn't figure that out years before.

IF you do come to a conclusion that the slip yoke IS the issue.....Buy a Chromoly Sonnax slip yoke, Cheaper & better quality than the "updated" GM slip yokes.
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#4716633 - 04/04/18 09:32 PM Re: Video: GM 5.3 flexing under load - is this normal? [Re: HawkeyeScott]
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Very helpful. Thanks a lot.

Clinebarger, so youíre not concerned about grease on a slip yoke Ďcontamintaingí the ATF in the transfer case? It looks like the splines reach into the case to the point theyíre swimming in Dexron.


Edited by HawkeyeScott (04/04/18 09:32 PM)

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#4716667 - 04/04/18 10:02 PM Re: Video: GM 5.3 flexing under load - is this normal? [Re: HawkeyeScott]
clinebarger Offline


Registered: 12/19/13
Posts: 1994
Loc: Fort Worth, Texas
Originally Posted By: HawkeyeScott
Very helpful. Thanks a lot.

Clinebarger, so youíre not concerned about grease on a slip yoke Ďcontamintaingí the ATF in the transfer case? It looks like the splines reach into the case to the point theyíre swimming in Dexron.


Not for testing purposes & you don't want to use alot of grease either.

The fluid level is well below the output shaft in the T-Case, But it IS spray lubed buy the lube pump. The contamination issue has to do with the Wet Clutch in Part-Time Auto/Active transfer cases.
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#4716713 - 04/04/18 11:40 PM Re: Video: GM 5.3 flexing under load - is this normal? [Re: HawkeyeScott]
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Iím afraid I have the Auto 4WD feature. Still a good idea to at least test with some grease? Thanks again.

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#4717702 - 04/05/18 09:11 PM Re: Video: GM 5.3 flexing under load - is this normal? [Re: HawkeyeScott]
clinebarger Offline


Registered: 12/19/13
Posts: 1994
Loc: Fort Worth, Texas
Originally Posted By: HawkeyeScott
Iím afraid I have the Auto 4WD feature. Still a good idea to at least test with some grease? Thanks again.


It will be fine for such a short time.
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#4718805 - 04/06/18 07:31 PM Re: Video: GM 5.3 flexing under load - is this normal? [Re: HawkeyeScott]
HawkeyeScott Offline


Registered: 01/11/07
Posts: 787
Loc: El Oeste
Just greased up the slip yoke and reinstalled. Unfortunately, no improvement in the condition.

That means addressing the slip yoke, u joints, tranny mount and one motor mount hasnít fixed this oddball feeling I have when the truck shifts. Is it time to focus on the tranny? Could anything in the differential be failing and produce this issue?

(Here is my original description of the issue from a month ago)

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ub...iss#Post4688632

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