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AR-15 BCG's #4715479
04/03/18 07:03 PM
04/03/18 07:03 PM
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BlueOvalFitter Offline OP
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My cousin is building an AR-15. He was asking my advice on a BCG. I gave him these suggestions in this order;
1) ToolCraft
2) BCM
3) APOC Armory
This is a gimme;
4) PSA
The AA looks just like a ToolCraft. When I ordered mine from PSA they told me ToolCraft "used to" make their BCG's. This was in 2015.
Opinions on a BCG?

Re: AR-15 BCG's [Re: BlueOvalFitter] #4715522
04/03/18 07:46 PM
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As long as it is mil-spec , I would not be knowledgeable enough to say . In my mind , as long as it fits & functions well , all is good .


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Re: AR-15 BCG's [Re: BlueOvalFitter] #4715553
04/03/18 08:13 PM
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Fail Zero. Best I've seen


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Re: AR-15 BCG's [Re: BlueOvalFitter] #4715601
04/03/18 09:37 PM
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Spikes
WMD
Daniel Defense
Noveske
LMT
Yankee Hill Machine
LaRue

That's enough?

First AR, youngster, a PSA Shot peened MPI, 158 carpenter steel bolt will be fine.


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Re: AR-15 BCG's [Re: BlueOvalFitter] #4715641
04/03/18 10:48 PM
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Where the wind comes sweepin'
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Toolcraft is good.

That being said in my decade of AR ownership and lots of shooting, I haven't had a bolt or BCG wear out....My original AR was a CMMG Bargain Bin rifle that came with a DPMS lower. Still running to this day on the original internals.

Re: AR-15 BCG's [Re: Reddy45] #4715646
04/03/18 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted By: Reddy45

That being said in my decade of AR ownership and lots of shooting, I haven't had a bolt or BCG wear out....My original AR was a CMMG Bargain Bin rifle that came with a DPMS lower. Still running to this day on the original internals.


Exactly. Cousin should pick out whatever known quality BCG he likes the sound of when he lists his build to his buddies!


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Re: AR-15 BCG's [Re: BlueOvalFitter] #4715648
04/03/18 11:01 PM
04/03/18 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
My cousin is building an AR-15. He was asking my advice on a BCG. I gave him these suggestions in this order;
1) ToolCraft
2) BCM
3) APOC Armory
This is a gimme;
4) PSA
The AA looks just like a ToolCraft. When I ordered mine from PSA they told me ToolCraft "used to" make their BCG's. This was in 2015.
Opinions on a BCG?


I believe PSA premium is either by ToolCraft or FN. In fact, someone posted pics of their FN branded AR-15 and the BCG looked identical in terms of markings to the PSA Premium. Anyway, PSA recently had a deal on their premium logo BCG with a mil-spec 7075 charging handle for $89.99. Without the charging handle it was $79.99/shipped. To me, this is a no brainer even though they may not look as polished as the designer brands.


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Re: AR-15 BCG's [Re: GemStater] #4715774
04/04/18 06:26 AM
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BlueOvalFitter Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: GemStater
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
My cousin is building an AR-15. He was asking my advice on a BCG. I gave him these suggestions in this order;
1) ToolCraft
2) BCM
3) APOC Armory
This is a gimme;
4) PSA
The AA looks just like a ToolCraft. When I ordered mine from PSA they told me ToolCraft "used to" make their BCG's. This was in 2015.
Opinions on a BCG?


I believe PSA premium is either by ToolCraft or FN. In fact, someone posted pics of their FN branded AR-15 and the BCG looked identical in terms of markings to the PSA Premium. Anyway, PSA recently had a deal on their premium logo BCG with a mil-spec 7075 charging handle for $89.99. Without the charging handle it was $79.99/shipped. To me, this is a no brainer even though they may not look as polished as the designer brands.

I have to agree. I ordered the PSA Premium BCG less the logo. It was $10 cheaper. I don't think my AR knows the difference. But, my wallet does. grin

Re: AR-15 BCG's [Re: BlueOvalFitter] #4715796
04/04/18 07:20 AM
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Most civilian AR-15 shooters are not going to shoot enough ammunition through their guns for it to matter. Most ANY bolt carrier group will work well. Look for the best deal you can find. I like many, prefer an M-16 type bolt carrier group because it slows down the cyclic rate slightly. This helps reduce wear and tear on the gun. Will I shoot it enough to notice which one will "fail" first? Probably not. I also like Nickel Boron coated bolt carrier groups, because they clean up faster and easier. The less time I spend cleaning guns, the more I like it.

Re: AR-15 BCG's [Re: BlueOvalFitter] #4715808
04/04/18 07:46 AM
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You are correct . Uncle Sugar and the " boys " may put enough rounds down the tube to wear out a BCG . Especially on FA .

Joe Civilian , like you and me , can not afford to buy or reload enough ammo to do that .

I had a " Government Model " Rock Island . A cousin wanted it , so I sold it to him for what I had in it . Shoots fine , for a GI style 1911 . ( He had leading problems with home cast bullets , so he went to Powder Coating the bullets & solved that issue . )

I think I mentioned the Tias ( Turkey ) SS " Tactical Model " I bought used . I also picked up a Tias GI Model . Not as accurate as the SS model , but what the heck , it is good enough for " social " distances .


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Re: AR-15 BCG's [Re: GemStater] #4715991
04/04/18 09:57 AM
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I believe PSA premium is either by ToolCraft or FN. In fact, someone posted pics of their FN branded AR-15 and the BCG looked identical in terms of markings to the PSA Premium. Anyway, PSA recently had a deal on their premium logo BCG with a mil-spec 7075 charging handle for $89.99. Without the charging handle it was $79.99/shipped. To me, this is a no brainer even though they may not look as polished as the designer brands. [/quote]

I can definitely vouch for PSA premium. They are definitely high quality, made by a mil-spec manufacturer, and they do are in fact identical to a FN bolt carrier group side by side.

PSA Premium or Tool craft are definitely good to go. Spikes and BCM are good at almost twice the price, for likely the same exact bolt carrier.

I don't like the fancy coating ones. The standard ones work perfect and are in spec.



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Re: AR-15 BCG's [Re: BlueOvalFitter] #4715995
04/04/18 09:59 AM
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BlueOvalFitter Offline OP
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This is an excellent deal. FREE BCG with the purchase of a barrel. I prefer a mid length barrel over a carbine length barrel any day.

http://www.primaryarms.com/ballistic-adv...8_04_Ad_05_BOGO

Re: AR-15 BCG's [Re: BlueOvalFitter] #4716860
04/05/18 06:54 AM
04/05/18 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
My cousin is building an AR-15. He was asking my advice on a BCG. I gave him these suggestions in this order;
1) ToolCraft
2) BCM
3) APOC Armory
This is a gimme;
4) PSA
The AA looks just like a ToolCraft. When I ordered mine from PSA they told me ToolCraft "used to" make their BCG's. This was in 2015.
Opinions on a BCG?


I've been using Azimuth's mil-spec dimension QPQ BCG's. They work very well, and are easy to clean, but really, any mil-spec BCG is the "easy button" answer, with Colt and BCM and LMT coming in arguably near the top.

Re: AR-15 BCG's [Re: billt460] #4716862
04/05/18 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted By: billt460
Most civilian AR-15 shooters are not going to shoot enough ammunition through their guns for it to matter. Most ANY bolt carrier group will work well. Look for the best deal you can find. I like many, prefer an M-16 type bolt carrier group because it slows down the cyclic rate slightly. This helps reduce wear and tear on the gun. Will I shoot it enough to notice which one will "fail" first? Probably not. I also like Nickel Boron coated bolt carrier groups, because they clean up faster and easier. The less time I spend cleaning guns, the more I like it.


Gas keys can come loose in a few hundred rounds if not attached with proper hardware, properly, etc. It's not just "long-term fatigue" type longevity at stake. Rough bores will chew gas rings up, too, etc. Seen all sorts of issues from "cheap" BCG's.

Re: AR-15 BCG's [Re: Ws6] #4716866
04/05/18 07:05 AM
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BlueOvalFitter Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: Ws6
Originally Posted By: billt460
Most civilian AR-15 shooters are not going to shoot enough ammunition through their guns for it to matter. Most ANY bolt carrier group will work well. Look for the best deal you can find. I like many, prefer an M-16 type bolt carrier group because it slows down the cyclic rate slightly. This helps reduce wear and tear on the gun. Will I shoot it enough to notice which one will "fail" first? Probably not. I also like Nickel Boron coated bolt carrier groups, because they clean up faster and easier. The less time I spend cleaning guns, the more I like it.


Gas keys can come loose in a few hundred rounds if not attached with proper hardware, properly, etc. It's not just "long-term fatigue" type longevity at stake. Rough bores will chew gas rings up, too, etc. Seen all sorts of issues from "cheap" BCG's.

Have you ever seen a Ruger BCG? The gas key bolts are dimpled instead of being staked. The pic below is of mine. It's not in my Ruger any more. I have a TC in there now.



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