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ATF in an engine #4714522
04/02/18 08:21 PM
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2009 Acura CSX - PUP 0w20 / Fram XG7317 / Maxlife ATF
2018 Kawasaki Z650 - Motul 4T 5100 10w40 / OEM Oil Filter
Re: ATF in an engine [Re: dgunay] #4714528
04/02/18 08:27 PM
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Why would ATF with a thin detergent pack be much better at cleaning an engine than regular 20 grade motor oil with a strong add pack? Even MMO added to your regular motor oil would be a better cleaner as MMO has real solvents and is even thinner than ATF which is around a 10 grade oil in most cases. Both are thin oils being mixed with your engine oil. MMO is under a 5 grade if I recall. Safest thing to do is to run a motor oil with a strong add pack known for cleaning up things....such as some of the major brand synthetics.


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2001 Lincoln Cont 4.6L DOHC/ 39K mi / QS HM 5w30 / FUG XG2
1999 Camaro SS M6 /19K /Mobil 1 0w40 /Fram UG /GM MTL-ATF
1969 Ply GTX/RRs
Re: ATF in an engine [Re: dgunay] #4714541
04/02/18 08:40 PM
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I'd think ATF would start to burn in the cylinders and leave residue behind, plus thin ATF does not
help to support main bearings, etc and would likely increase wear!

If you want to 'clean out' an engine, use a cup of kerosene, let the engine idle for 20 minutes
and do an oil filter change!

Re: ATF in an engine [Re: dgunay] #4714545
04/02/18 08:43 PM
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There is nothing in ATF that cleans better than proper motor oil. It does not have friction modifiers or significant zinc so its not going to help your triblo layer. It lowers the viscosity and dilutes the add pack of the oil. No real detergent level vs motor oil.

This has been covered before, for one stubborn poster.

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4660239/1

Last edited by spasm3; 04/02/18 08:45 PM.

13 elantra 70k 5w30 QSUD
03 chevy avalanche79k synpwr 10w30
01 saturnsc1 185k synpwr rebuilt
17 mazda cx-5 5600 miles m1 0w30
Re: ATF in an engine [Re: dgunay] #4714548
04/02/18 08:48 PM
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But in the good old days, when ATF contained a lot of sperm whale oil, I think this myth was born and refuses to die nearly 50 years later.

Re: ATF in an engine [Re: dgunay] #4714549
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Why would the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms be cleaning engines in the first place? Do they not have enough to do?


'99 Cavalier 5w 30 SuperTech conventional
'11 Impala 5w 30 Magnatec full synthetic
'12 Colorado 5w 30 Magnatec full synthetic
*regular Wix oil filters for all
Re: ATF in an engine [Re: dgunay] #4714554
04/02/18 08:54 PM
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The narrator could get a job as a carnival barker.


2017 Honda Odyssey SE, 16K
2013 Honda Accord LX, 58K
2007 Honda Ridgeline RTS, 88K
2007 Infiniti M35, 107K
Re: ATF in an engine [Re: dgunay] #4714569
04/02/18 09:09 PM
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Naphtenic base oils and aromatics are great to clean, because of high solvency characteristics. Parafinic oils being group I, II, III or even Group IV PAO bases are weak in solvency, so they need detergents or esters to help. High solvency bases like naphtenic based oils doesn´t need detergents, that´s why it´s naive to look for detergent content in its VOAs or UOAs of low performance mineral atfs.
Low performance ATF (not synthetic) still have about 20% of naphtenic base on its composition, according to Ninas a base oil producer of Stockholm, Sweden. So a Type A atf or event a Type F, can clean an engine better than a Dexron VI (group III mostly) or better fluid made from group III or higher bases.
You can clean an engine with a Johnsons baby oil also, because of its pale naphtenic oil composition, plus a little alcohol and essence, right?
laugh
item 3.3 ATF Bases at:

https://www.engnetglobal.com/documents/pdfcatalog/NYN001_200412073535_Base%20oil%20handbookENG.pdf

Last edited by Hammehead; 04/02/18 09:25 PM.

ToYota Corolla XEI 2010 1zzfe
Kawasaki Ninja ZX9R B4
Taurus GL Vulcan
Citroen C5 phase I
I used to use syn, now whatever is on sale and never had problems. This noob knows stuff.
Re: ATF in an engine [Re: dgunay] #4714571
04/02/18 09:14 PM
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OP:

1. What's your opinion or are you just trolling?

2. Why list all of the cars you've sold in your sig? You've got to be out of signature space by now, right?


'14 Forester XT FA20DIT (Cobb Stage 1)
Edge 0W-40 + FU filter
'15 Legacy FB25 (OEM Stage, uh, neg. 7?)
Edge 0W-20 + FU filter
Re: ATF in an engine [Re: dgunay] #4714633
04/02/18 10:32 PM
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Sincere question: I've heard for some time that ATF's have very low detergents, which I assume to be true. With that in mind, why the nasty sulfur-ish odor they all seem to have? Obviously there's a bunch of something in there that regular motor oils don't seem to have.


07 Toyota RAV4 2.4L
07 Toyota Prius Touring
00 Harley Road King Classic
11 Kia Soul 2.0L (mine to maintain)
Re: ATF in an engine [Re: dgunay] #4714640
04/02/18 10:39 PM
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SMELL OF DISPERSANTS, AND THAT DOESN´T SHOW IN OIL ANALISES. Caplocks on, sorry.


ToYota Corolla XEI 2010 1zzfe
Kawasaki Ninja ZX9R B4
Taurus GL Vulcan
Citroen C5 phase I
I used to use syn, now whatever is on sale and never had problems. This noob knows stuff.
Re: ATF in an engine [Re: dgunay] #4714643
04/02/18 10:50 PM
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Quote:
But in the good old days, when ATF contained a lot of sperm whale oil, I think this myth was born and refuses to die nearly 50 years later.


The old wives tale, at least in part, was because ATF was red
as was MMO and some low effort thinkers thought that they both
would work well at cleaning.
ATF isn't designed to burn like motor oil or motor oil additives.

My 2¢


There's no such thing as:
Too big of a battery,
Too large of a gas tank,
or too loud of a horn,
or too bright headlights.
Re: ATF in an engine [Re: dgunay] #4714649
04/02/18 10:53 PM
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Old guy here - I'm in my 60s, FWIW - had a 1967 Mercury Cougar I bought in 1970. Around 40,000 miles on it. It had a loud ticking sound coming from the valve train. A Ford mechanic advised that I should do an oil change and substitute a quart OF ATF in place of engine oil. I did that. Sound went away instantly and never came back.

I was an 18 year old kid.

What did i know then? What do I know now? I know I saw it and believe it worked.

Re: ATF in an engine [Re: gathermewool] #4714652
04/02/18 10:59 PM
04/02/18 10:59 PM
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Toronto
dgunay Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: gathermewool
OP:

1. What's your opinion or are you just trolling?

2. Why list all of the cars you've sold in your sig? You've got to be out of signature space by now, right?


1) Do I look like trolling? I just wanted to share something oil related and informative. I've seen worse (not even car related) topics here in BITOG and nobody complains about it.

If you are really curious about my opinion (which I doubt), no need to reinvent the wheel. Engine oil belongs to the engine, transmission fluid belongs to the transmission. I'd probably use Seafoam, both in oil pan and fuel tank at the same time, prior to the oil change to clean out the engine.

2) Because my backspace key won't work wink . Those are the most recent ones, and still missing (except the Pontiac). Two Hondas on the list were my project cars. I am thinking of updating the list in the near future though.


2009 Acura CSX - PUP 0w20 / Fram XG7317 / Maxlife ATF
2018 Kawasaki Z650 - Motul 4T 5100 10w40 / OEM Oil Filter
Re: ATF in an engine [Re: dgunay] #4714666
04/02/18 11:25 PM
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Posting links to debunked myths is akin to trolling. Nail in the coffin: you only posted a link, with no input.

Maintain a questioning attitude, dude.


'14 Forester XT FA20DIT (Cobb Stage 1)
Edge 0W-40 + FU filter
'15 Legacy FB25 (OEM Stage, uh, neg. 7?)
Edge 0W-20 + FU filter
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