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Honda 0w-20 quarts at dealers - Dexos 1 Gen 2? #4713460
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Does anyone know if the Honda 0w-20 full synthetic quarts at the dealers are Dexos 1 gen 2 by any chance?

thee parts counter does not know and it's not labeled as such. Since it's not a GM dealer that doesn't surprise me a lot but trying to find out.

Re: Honda 0w-20 quarts at dealers - Dexos 1 Gen 2? [Re: DirtyApe] #4713464
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I'm pretty sure the dealer will continue selling old stock until it's gone....if it doesn't say Dexos gen2 then it probably isn't.


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Re: Honda 0w-20 quarts at dealers - Dexos 1 Gen 2? [Re: DirtyApe] #4713466
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Not listed on GM website gonna say no but doesn’t mean it wouldn’t pass just not tested.

Re: Honda 0w-20 quarts at dealers - Dexos 1 Gen 2? [Re: DirtyApe] #4713495
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As far as I know, Japanese OEM oils are neither made nor tested for GM dexos standards.


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Re: Honda 0w-20 quarts at dealers - Dexos 1 Gen 2? [Re: DirtyApe] #4713525
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Yes, I'd agree with Gokhan. I'm not sure why Honda would be interested in obtaining a GM certification, unless it was simply a rebottled motor oil that already was so licensed.


Plain, simple Garak.

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Re: Honda 0w-20 quarts at dealers - Dexos 1 Gen 2? [Re: Garak] #4713529
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Originally Posted By: Garak
Yes, I'd agree with Gokhan. I'm not sure why Honda would be interested in obtaining a GM certification, unless it was simply a rebottled motor oil that already was so licensed.


I was wanting to ask since it was said elsewhere that a GDI Turbo could possibly benefit from a dexos 1 gen 2 oil.

Re: Honda 0w-20 quarts at dealers - Dexos 1 Gen 2? [Re: DirtyApe] #4713544
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Yes, that may certainly be. I wouldn't feel constrained by any desire for an OEM motor oil, or, contrary to that, feel a push to get something else. My first concern would be with cost, within reason. I'd like to think that Honda, when calling for someone to produce motor oil for them, takes these things into consideration, but I'd have no evidence of that.

I don't think any of us yet know the ideal oil for a TGDI. wink Of course, it's always hard to argue against an oil that meets the viscosity and service category requirements for the engine, be it an oil from a major (and with dexos1 generation 2) or the OEM marketed oil.


Plain, simple Garak.

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Re: Honda 0w-20 quarts at dealers - Dexos 1 Gen 2? [Re: DirtyApe] #4713574
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It cost money to put that Dexos label on the container. Why would Honda want to pay for a GM oil requirement?


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Re: Honda 0w-20 quarts at dealers - Dexos 1 Gen 2? [Re: DirtyApe] #4713597
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It's not even full-synthetic, right? Why not get an M1 0W-20 or M1 EP 0W-20, which is full-synthetic, dexos1 Gen 2, and cheaper, also with a good blend of PAO as a bonus. You can use 5W-30 if you aren't comfortable with 0W-20 in a TGDI engine.


1985 Toyota Corolla LE, 4A-LC engine, ~ 270,000 M
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Mobil 1 EP M1-103 filter, 90430-12031 drain gasket
Re: Honda 0w-20 quarts at dealers - Dexos 1 Gen 2? [Re: Gokhan] #4713703
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Originally Posted By: Gokhan
It's not even full-synthetic, right? Why not get an M1 0W-20 or M1 EP 0W-20, which is full-synthetic, dexos1 Gen 2, and cheaper, also with a good blend of PAO as a bonus. You can use 5W-30 if you aren't comfortable with 0W-20 in a TGDI engine.


The honda 0w-20 the dealer has is full synthetic. I did check the m1 0w-20 and it doesn't list gen 2 from what I could find. It was going to be a choice with a m1 110a but after seeing the gen 2 might be better I steered away. I don't know enough about 0w-20 in a TGDI engine to be wary. Only what I'm starting to see here in the last few days.

Re: Honda 0w-20 quarts at dealers - Dexos 1 Gen 2? [Re: Garak] #4713708
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Originally Posted By: Garak
Yes, that may certainly be. I wouldn't feel constrained by any desire for an OEM motor oil, or, contrary to that, feel a push to get something else. My first concern would be with cost, within reason. I'd like to think that Honda, when calling for someone to produce motor oil for them, takes these things into consideration, but I'd have no evidence of that.

I don't think any of us yet know the ideal oil for a TGDI. wink Of course, it's always hard to argue against an oil that meets the viscosity and service category requirements for the engine, be it an oil from a major (and with dexos1 generation 2) or the OEM marketed oil.


The dealer has an offer for a honda filter a01, crush washer and 5 qts of 0w-20 full syn for 32.50 plus tax. I originally was going to go for that or m1 afe with a m1-110a. Since neither showed the dexos gen 2 I put them on the back burner.

so you are saying the honda or afe even though not gen 2 would be perfectly fine with what we know right now then?

Re: Honda 0w-20 quarts at dealers - Dexos 1 Gen 2? [Re: DirtyApe] #4713717
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Originally Posted By: DirtyApe
The dealer has an offer for a honda filter a01, crush washer and 5 qts of 0w-20 full syn for 32.50 plus tax. I originally was going to go for that or m1 afe with a m1-110a. Since neither showed the dexos gen 2 I put them on the back burner.

so you are saying the honda or afe even though not gen 2 would be perfectly fine with what we know right now then?


For $32.50 for even a bulk full synthetic is pretty unbeatable unless you're brand loyal. Although I did pick up some Castrol 0W-20 Extended Protection a few weeks back for $17 a jug.

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Re: Honda 0w-20 quarts at dealers - Dexos 1 Gen 2? [Re: DirtyApe] #4713728
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The new M1 stock is dexos1 Gen 2 I believe. Check the logo on the jug.


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Mobil 1 EP M1-103 filter, 90430-12031 drain gasket
Re: Honda 0w-20 quarts at dealers - Dexos 1 Gen 2? [Re: DirtyApe] #4713743
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Also, doesn't Honda 0W-20 have a calcium detergent? Oils with calcium detergents aren't supposed to be used in TGDI engines according to the Oronite website.


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Toyota (TGMO) 0W-20 SN high-moly GTL (new formulation)
Mobil 1 EP M1-103 filter, 90430-12031 drain gasket
Re: Honda 0w-20 quarts at dealers - Dexos 1 Gen 2? [Re: JohnnyJohnson] #4713909
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Originally Posted By: JohnnyJohnson
Originally Posted By: DirtyApe
The dealer has an offer for a honda filter a01, crush washer and 5 qts of 0w-20 full syn for 32.50 plus tax. I originally was going to go for that or m1 afe with a m1-110a. Since neither showed the dexos gen 2 I put them on the back burner.

so you are saying the honda or afe even though not gen 2 would be perfectly fine with what we know right now then?


For $32.50 for even a bulk full synthetic is pretty unbeatable unless you're brand loyal. Although I did pick up some Castrol 0W-20 Extended Protection a few weeks back for $17 a jug.


it's a service 'special' via coupon on their website. Has no expiration date.

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