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Re: Running oil filters multiple OCIs [Re: Char Baby] #4712505
03/31/18 04:14 PM
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I used to "leap-frog" my filters.....
I would have one off and draining for months...
while another was in use, then swap them.

NO.... I NEVER had a gasket failure!!!

Now I just leave them in place. Gotta keep that "Tribochemical Barrier" in place!! grin2 grin


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Re: Running oil filters multiple OCIs [Re: Char Baby] #4712542
03/31/18 05:11 PM
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Iím thinking of going the full 20,000 miles on an Ultra which might mean three OCIís. beer


If you want the job done right......do it yourself.
Re: Running oil filters multiple OCIs [Re: Char Baby] #4712550
03/31/18 05:21 PM
03/31/18 05:21 PM
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Ontario, Canada
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I leave the filter on too. I chickened out on an extra guard after 15k though. Was shooting for 20k.


07 3.5L VQ35DE CEB 5w-30 Defense 6607 144KM
10 3.5L 2GR-FE AGIP SS XL 5w-20 ProSelect 27047 173KM
Re: Running oil filters multiple OCIs [Re: Matagonka] #4712566
03/31/18 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted By: Matagonka
I'm going to use my Ultra for a second oil change at least.


Same here.... when my Focus hits about 7000 miles (about 1 year), I'll change my oil (synthetic), but leave the FRAM ULTRA on for another 7K +/- run.

I'm sure the Ultra could go even further, but just to be safe..... 14K to 15K, and two years of use, should suffice easily.


03' Ford Focus SE(2.3L Duratec PZEV)/ 140K +
Pnz. Ultra 0w20 / Fram 'Ultra'/ OCI: 8000 +/-
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Re: Running oil filters multiple OCIs [Re: Bluestream] #4712579
03/31/18 05:54 PM
03/31/18 05:54 PM
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Why remove it not gonna make a different! Most engine have a quart of oil left in the lifter valley that you can't change!!!!

Re: Running oil filters multiple OCIs [Re: Char Baby] #4712586
03/31/18 05:58 PM
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How do you factor in a true bypass oil filter with running the full flow filter for an extended OCI?


2015 Subaru Forester 2.5 engine/CVT
2015 Ford F250 w/Powerstroke
2016 Subaru Crosstrek CVT (wife's)
Re: Running oil filters multiple OCIs [Re: GSCJR] #4712629
03/31/18 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted By: GSCJR
I leave the filter on too. I chickened out on an extra guard after 15k though. Was shooting for 20k.


Did you cut and have a look?


I use the overseas manual to choose my oil viscosity.

Using AMSOIL

Hers: 2008 Jeep Liberty 149k, SS5w30/Amsoil

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Re: Running oil filters multiple OCIs [Re: paulri] #4712663
03/31/18 07:31 PM
03/31/18 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted By: paulri
... But what about the argument that the gasket is designed for a one-time sealing job? Is this true? Have folks who drain the oil and then re-use the filter, found that they get leaks?
In my experience, usually not, except sometimes minor (very slow) leaks from Purolator spin-ons used a second or third time and hand-tightened. I partially refilled them before reinstalling, as much as possible with horizontal-axis orientation.
No leaks so far reinstalling the Toyota cartridge cap three times with the same O-ring. I might replace it next time.


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Re: Running oil filters multiple OCIs [Re: Char Baby] #4712699
03/31/18 08:17 PM
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This has spilled over to my Honda ATV's, even after 2 OCI's they're 99%.


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Re: Running oil filters multiple OCIs [Re: MrOctober44] #4712771
03/31/18 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted By: MrOctober44
Why remove it not gonna make a different! Most engine have a quart of oil left in the lifter valley that you can't change!!!!


So, where do you draw the line? In my opinion, and I know this against what you guys are saying, if you are doing an oil change, isn't the purpose of the oil change to get as much of the dirty/used oil out as you can? shrug

Sure, maybe the filter will be fine and it can handle another OCI or 2, but if you have a quart held up in the engine and another 1/4-1/2 liter left in your filter, that adds up to a lot of dirty oil left in the engine.

Personally, since I like knowing that I got as much used/dirty/spent oil out of my engines as possible, I have switched to TG's instead of Ultras.

Each to their own, but if I am crawling underneath my vehicles to access the drain plugs, it isn't really any extra work to remove and replace the filter while I am under there. My Ram isn't the easiest filter to access, but with a rag laid over the steering rack (for a just in case) and a cut down ice cream container to catch the oil, it takes me moments while my oil is still draining.

Last edited by irv; 03/31/18 10:03 PM.

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Re: Running oil filters multiple OCIs [Re: Char Baby] #4712774
03/31/18 10:04 PM
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I remove, turn upside-down to drain and reinstall the used filter for another OCI. Never had a problem with the gasket.


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04 Colorado 3.5 Castrol Edge 0W40 Euro & K&N filter
03 Malibu 3.1 QS / Valv Syn 5w30 mix Fram EG filter
Re: Running oil filters multiple OCIs [Re: Char Baby] #4712802
03/31/18 10:42 PM
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I change my filter every oil change since i operate in a dusty dirty conditions.


1996 Chevy 1500 W/T 4.3 V6.
Mobil 1 HM 10W30 Fram XG3980

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Re: Running oil filters multiple OCIs [Re: irv] #4712831
03/31/18 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted By: irv

So, where do you draw the line? In my opinion, and I know this against what you guys are saying, if you are doing an oil change, isn't the purpose of the oil change to get as much of the dirty/used oil out as you can? shrug



In most engines, even if you let the oil drain until every last drop comes out of the drain plug, and remove the filter too, you'll still have at least 5-10% of the old oil left behind in the heads and oil passages. So leaving behind an extra 2-3% on top of that isn't going to mean all that much. And if that old filter is actually doing a better job of filtering on the second OCI than it did on the first, it could possibly be better in the long run.

Re: Running oil filters multiple OCIs [Re: Char Baby] #4712850
04/01/18 12:23 AM
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Some car manufacturers call for a filter change every other oil change, so apparently they don't think it's a bad thing to do as long as the recommended OCI is followed.

Re: Running oil filters multiple OCIs [Re: Char Baby] #4712888
04/01/18 03:50 AM
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Thanks everyone.
I was just curious. I leave on my filter as well. To messy to fuss with.


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