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#4711457 - 03/30/18 11:40 AM 04 Dakota rear brakes
Hemispheres Offline


Registered: 01/14/17
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Loc: Virginia
Ok so about a week ago I accidentally take off without disengaging the parking brake. Made it to about 35-40 when I realized it and quickly stabbed the brakes before hitting the release. Since then Iíve had an intermittent squeal after parking the vehicle. It doesnít correspond with using the P brake %100 of the time. Last week I noticed a fried electronics smell which Ive dealt with once before so after it was obvious the wires were fine, I realized there was smoke coming from the driver rear wheel. It went away but started squealing again last night. (Truck is 4 wheel disc)

Not %100 sure itís the tophat/integrated parking brake system or the caliper. For one I still havenít been able to remove the caliper. Used a C clamp to free up some slack and the caliper has slight movement but wonít pull off of the pads. The pads have clips not only holding them to the caliper but also appears to have clips at the top of each pad holding it there as well. Caliper doesnít have a mounting bracket as itís part of the axle and it looks like the caliper has interlocking teeth that also allow it to slide on ďbracketĒ.

My doubts about the parking brake are based on the pads looking [censored] near brand new and sporting high end parts. (Rotors were Bosch Premium) but thereís rust all over the clips that the pads slide on and the bolts/pins were bone dry. No sign of grease being used anywhere. Spoke with my Grandfather who owns the Truck and he said a year or so ago they replaced the rear brakes at inspection and he never leaves town with the truck. 120xxx miles. Iíve had it since 117k while I putz along on my personal vehicle and Itís falling apart. Iíve driven it more in the past 4 months than he does in a year. He purchased it with a busted window motor, since then the other window just fell off the track when I hit a speed bump, a leak I thought I fixed 2 years ago came back and cost me $30 in hoses and fittings to fix, now the brakes aside from having to strip the driver floor and pillar trim to free a frozen seat belt.

Given the issues Iíd like to remove this caliper without breaking anything, anyone got the proper method down pat?
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#4711474 - 03/30/18 11:58 AM Re: 04 Dakota rear brakes [Re: Hemispheres]
Hemispheres Offline


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Well I hope Iím wrong but the rust looks like it may be grease burnt to a crisp and Iím hoping the caliper ainít melted on because I can still smell burning brakes in the axle/caliper/wheel well area. Been on the stand more than 12 hours.

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#4711505 - 03/30/18 12:30 PM Re: 04 Dakota rear brakes [Re: Hemispheres]
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The parking brake is a drum brake inside the disc hub. On my 03' Dakota I kept hearing a tick at very low speeds. What happened was the material on the brake shoes had come off and was sliding back and forth inside the drum. Pop the the rear tires/caliper's off, pull the disc hat off, I'll bet the brake shoe material falls out.
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#4711547 - 03/30/18 01:20 PM Re: 04 Dakota rear brakes [Re: oldhp]
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Iíve tried everything short of a hammer and prybar to get the caliper off. Two 10mm caliper bolts, C Clamp to compress the piston, Screwdriver to pry and remove clips etc. but it does appear to be rust and bare metal everywhere.
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#4711568 - 03/30/18 01:43 PM Re: 04 Dakota rear brakes [Re: Hemispheres]
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Open the bleeder
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#4711575 - 03/30/18 01:52 PM Re: 04 Dakota rear brakes [Re: Hemispheres]
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Brake shoes are fried. They came apart by hand and had a nice crackle to them. They were so gone the smell was coming from them despite sitting this time.
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#4711592 - 03/30/18 02:10 PM Re: 04 Dakota rear brakes [Re: Hemispheres]
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I assume Iím correct in assuming that each box/bag of shoes and hardware covers one side right?
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#4711669 - 03/30/18 03:49 PM Re: 04 Dakota rear brakes [Re: Hemispheres]
Miller88 Offline


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Yes. One drum hardware kit per side.

I'm not sure if they use an auto adjuster (I don't believe drum-in-rotors do) make sure they are the correct side.
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#4711800 - 03/30/18 07:06 PM Re: 04 Dakota rear brakes [Re: Hemispheres]
Hemispheres Offline


Registered: 01/14/17
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Loc: Virginia
Monroe sells all 4 in a set if the picture is correct. Rear drum calls for 11Ē but the parking brake shoe is 8Ē.

$50 for shoes and hardware kit. He never uses his parking brake stating he has faith the transmission will hold it. All these systems are auto adjusting and I was correct when I say no grease was used on the calipers or pads. Now I get to spend a day or so cussing and stabbing myself with needle nose.
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#4712873 - 04/01/18 02:25 AM Re: 04 Dakota rear brakes [Re: Hemispheres]
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Hopefully the last time I ever have to borrow my gramps truck. He bought the thing beat up and needing quite a bit of the stuff Iíve fixed. Given he barely drives it Iíve been the one footing the bill for repairs over the last 6 months or so.

Dodge is cheap junk to begin with but add in Iíve pointed out a few screw ups by his mechanic (partially the reason my car is sitting with no heads or intake on it right now) and his habit on waiting until [censored] is long broken to fix it Iím not gonna be chancing it anymore. His parking brake has always sunk to the floor as long as Iíve tried using it, funny part is now the [censored] tophat rotor is removed suddenly the parking brake line wants to catch and for once Iím getting ratcheting action in the pedal. Guess thatís what I get for trying to keep the vehicle from rolling the RIGHT way. Hereís hoping I donít knock the [censored] thing off the jack stands and tell him to call insurance. $50 for new shoes and springs/clips. Last thing Iíll be buying for this POS.

TBH I wouldnít be so [censored] if it werenít for he fact the P Brake never ratcheted of got hung up until now, for a while I was convinced it needed new brake cables. Has me suspecting my fequent use along with it being an auto adjusted system loosened some old parts up.


Edited by Hemispheres (04/01/18 02:37 AM)
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#4713539 - 04/01/18 07:41 PM Re: 04 Dakota rear brakes [Re: Hemispheres]
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Final verdict. Went ahead and greased everything but the pads and rotors and the parking brake mechanism is the culprit. Shoes on driver rear stick intermittently and the actual expanding piston is rusted everywhere there is metal. Shop that installed his rear brakes just slapped em on and sent it. Iím taking a wire brush and WD40 to everything I can possibly reach. Hoping it keeps brake fires to a minimum until parts arrive.
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#4715664 - 04/03/18 11:24 PM Re: 04 Dakota rear brakes [Re: Hemispheres]
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Registered: 02/05/08
Posts: 631
Loc: texas
not sure about your model, but some rear caliper pistons are rotated to retract rather than the c-clamp method
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#4723777 - 04/11/18 03:21 PM Re: 04 Dakota rear brakes [Re: Hemispheres]
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Loc: Virginia
Whatís the secret to installing these things? Disassembly was easy as can be but it seems I need 3 or 4 hands to install the shoes. One to hold the pin and shoe in place, another to compress the spring clip and another simultaneously line the pin up with the slotted side of the clip and also one to rotate it in order to lock it in place.

Only specialty tool I have is some generic 5 piece drum brake tool kit.
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