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So now it seems like they're going to announce new CAFE numbers, but California and 12 other states might stick with the old numbers.

But CAFE is the Corporate average fuel economy so what I don't understand is how one company can have two average fuel economy numbers for two different regions when by definition, an average is one number.

I suppose they sell their gas guzzlers in the other set of states that don't require CA specs? But you could probably still register them if you move into that state? Anyway, seems like a very tricky setup.
 
Sounds to me like CA and their buddies will only allow the sale of certain vehicles that achieve the standard?


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Originally Posted By: Wolf359
But you could probably still register them if you move into that state?


I have wondered for years when Cali will put a stop to this. I'm surprised it's gone on this long.

I still say at some point in the future only "California emissions" vehicles will be allowed to be registered there.
 
California gets a special blend of gasoline that is only used in California. They have been like this for year. They consider themselves a separate entity in many ways.

So people living there have to ask why is it so expensive living here vs everywhere else?
 
Ca gets to define what's a "ZEV"...when to my mind, the only ZEV is one sitting on cinderblocks with no wheels.

But then it's ZE, but no V.
 
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Ca gets to define what's a "ZEV"...when to my mind, the only ZEV is one sitting on cinderblocks with no wheels.

But then it's ZE, but no V.


Well technically ZEV would be an electric car as it wouldn't have any emissions although if you burn gas or coal to make electricity, it's just shifted to a different location. Pzev are also interesting, too bad they don't make more of them, I think they lose a little money making them so they just make enough to meet requirements. Most people don't even seem to know when the have a pzev but one thing that's nice about them is that certain emissions related items are covered for 15/150k.
 
Originally Posted By: PimTac
California gets a special blend of gasoline that is only used in California. They have been like this for year. They consider themselves a separate entity in many ways.

So people living there have to ask why is it so expensive living here vs everywhere else?


Technically that's true in many areas, they all have their own special blend to meet the smog specs for a particular area. Makes it hard to shift gas when there's a shortage from one area to another because there's so many variations between one area and another.
 
Originally Posted By: Nick1994
Originally Posted By: dishdude
There is a reason for these requirements.

https://www.kcet.org/history-society/how-los-angeles-began-to-put-its-smoggy-days-behind


Some people don't want any improvement in anything. They want to drive old polluting stick shift gas guzzling cars from the 80's. Don't need innovation for our power grid with solar and wind power. That's what coal is for!


Or you could be decent enough to assume that those you disagree with are looking at the issue with some amount of nuance.

I have yet to find a topic in our society that has only 2 paths.
 
Originally Posted By: Nick1994
Originally Posted By: dishdude
There is a reason for these requirements.

https://www.kcet.org/history-society/how-los-angeles-began-to-put-its-smoggy-days-behind


Some people don't want any improvement in anything. They want to drive old polluting stick shift gas guzzling cars from the 80's. Don't need innovation for our power grid with solar and wind power. That's what coal is for!


No, there was a smog issue that they identified with HC, CO, and NOx, and went after it...has nothing to do with CAFE. It's important not to get the two confused, however some people LIKE to get the two confused (like China's visual pollution) to prove a point

Regarding the last two sentences...when those first two mentioned technologies (plus the third technology that enables them) work together in providing all that a grid needs, you can diss the latter as old and irrelevant.

at present, the purveyors of unicorn answers disregard the things that those technologies FAIL to provide, especially in a world of electrified transport, while demonising coal.
 
Oh yeah man, those darn cars from the 80’s are so thick on our roads one can’t imagine why folks said they were bad cars
 
Originally Posted By: Nick1994
Originally Posted By: dishdude
There is a reason for these requirements.

https://www.kcet.org/history-society/how-los-angeles-began-to-put-its-smoggy-days-behind


Some people don't want any improvement in anything. They want to drive old polluting stick shift gas guzzling cars from the 80's. Don't need innovation for our power grid with solar and wind power. That's what coal is for!


You're getting confused between the two issues here. I was just talking about fuel economy which is what CAFE is about. Emissions is something else. It's easier to have two standards for emissions because you just have slightly different emissions controls for a particular model. Trickier to meet CAFE with two different types of cars. Although I suppose that could mean that the 4 cylinder gets sold in states that adhere to the stricter CAFE requirements and the V6 gets sold in other states. But if you could register the V6 in the state with the tougher CAFE requirements, that just kinda defeats a tougher CAFE requirements. I don't think people care that much about emissions that they want a more polluting version, but people care enough about performance that they may want a V6 over a 4 cylinder.
 
Originally Posted By: 4WD
Oh yeah man, those darn cars from the 80’s are so thick on our roads one can’t imagine why folks said they were bad cars


The fuel injected ones were pretty good. Anything with a feedback carb was junk. Also keep in mind you're going back 30-40 years.
 
Key words were and was ~ don’t recall the last time I saw cars on the road from the 80’s … cheap loans and cheap cars took care of that …
 
Originally Posted By: 4WD
Key words were and was ~ don’t recall the last time I saw cars on the road from the 80’s … cheap loans and cheap cars took care of that …


Just today I saw a really clean Celebrity!
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But 30 year old cars were never a common sight on the road.
 
Originally Posted By: 4WD
Oh yeah man, those darn cars from the 80’s are so thick on our roads one can’t imagine why folks said they were bad cars

Sometimes I've found myself driving behind and follow some old carbed beater, and my eyes are burning and I can smell the 8:1 A/F ratio going on.
 
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