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Yearly Qualification #4709265
03/28/18 08:02 AM
03/28/18 08:02 AM
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Rockwall, Texas
Old Mustang Guy Offline OP
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I went back to the agency I retired from, Dallas Police, for pistol qualification. By law, if we go back once a year and qualify we can continue to carry without restriction. This is just a burden for the agency as about 1200 or so of us will probably qualify. It's the same 50 round course that the in service guys shoot. This time they gave the retirees a standard "the time will come" speech urging us not to continue to come to qualify after we become a danger to ourselves and others. It was kind of and insult. I shot a 98.8. 80 is passing. There were 50 of us qualifying. Most of the scores I saw were in the 90's, better than the in service guys. I think most of the guys who continue to come to the range after retirement are better shooters. I guess at 65 I'm not ready to hang it up yet. I actually shoot a little better than I did when I was younger. I shot my Glock 26 this time. When I was in uniform I shot a Glock 17.

Re: Yearly Qualification [Re: Old Mustang Guy] #4709284
03/28/18 08:19 AM
03/28/18 08:19 AM
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Chicago, IL
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"This time they gave the retirees a standard "the time will come" speech urging us not to continue to come to qualify after we become a danger to ourselves and others."

Don't take it personally.

I think you are doing the right thing.


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Re: Yearly Qualification [Re: Old Mustang Guy] #4709304
03/28/18 08:39 AM
03/28/18 08:39 AM
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Thank you for your service even after your retirement.

Being a resident of the DFW metroplex, knowing this, I can feel safer with retired Police officers still qualifying and honing in their shooting skills.

I just hope that we never need it.

Last edited by JMJNet; 03/28/18 08:40 AM.

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Re: Yearly Qualification [Re: Old Mustang Guy] #4709335
03/28/18 08:57 AM
03/28/18 08:57 AM
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Glendale, Arizona
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Originally Posted By: Old Mustang Guy
I went back to the agency I retired from, Dallas Police, for pistol qualification. By law, if we go back once a year and qualify we can continue to carry without restriction. This is just a burden for the agency as about 1200 or so of us will probably qualify. It's the same 50 round course that the in service guys shoot. This time they gave the retirees a standard "the time will come" speech urging us not to continue to come to qualify after we become a danger to ourselves and others.


They've got a lot of nerve talking down to retired police officers that way. That is downright insulting. They should be thanking you guys for doing this on your own time, in order to remain an asset to the community. Instead they address you like children who don't know, or else can't think for themselves. Sad.

Re: Yearly Qualification [Re: Old Mustang Guy] #4709356
03/28/18 09:16 AM
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Canyon County Idaho
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It is good to have the extra protection of armed good guys on the streets . Thanks for the effort.


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Re: Yearly Qualification [Re: Old Mustang Guy] #4709467
03/28/18 11:04 AM
03/28/18 11:04 AM
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My guess would be they have had a few guys come in that made them a little nervous.

At least they are doing it, my department isn't really interested. I qualify there every year any way due to an armed security position I still but otherwise it would be difficult.


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Re: Yearly Qualification [Re: Old Mustang Guy] #4709485
03/28/18 11:22 AM
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But time will come for some, and I can't think of nothing worse than a great shot with Alzheimer's.


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Re: Yearly Qualification [Re: billt460] #4709504
03/28/18 11:39 AM
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Englewood, CO
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Originally Posted By: billt460
Originally Posted By: Old Mustang Guy
I went back to the agency I retired from, Dallas Police, for pistol qualification. By law, if we go back once a year and qualify we can continue to carry without restriction. This is just a burden for the agency as about 1200 or so of us will probably qualify. It's the same 50 round course that the in service guys shoot. This time they gave the retirees a standard "the time will come" speech urging us not to continue to come to qualify after we become a danger to ourselves and others.


They've got a lot of nerve talking down to retired police officers that way. That is downright insulting. They should be thanking you guys for doing this on your own time, in order to remain an asset to the community. Instead they address you like children who don't know, or else can't think for themselves. Sad.


The police talking down to someone? Crazy

Re: Yearly Qualification [Re: Old Mustang Guy] #4709515
03/28/18 11:51 AM
03/28/18 11:51 AM
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Rockwall, Texas
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Some good points. I've been in the back yard with my BB gun protecting my Martins from sparrows and starling. I probably look like Old PTSD Guy with an M1 carbine.

Re: Yearly Qualification [Re: Old Mustang Guy] #4709516
03/28/18 11:52 AM
03/28/18 11:52 AM
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Some police / police departments seem to be very jealous of anyone but them selves carrying a gun . Or , maybe it just makes them nervous ?


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Re: Yearly Qualification [Re: Old Mustang Guy] #4709559
03/28/18 12:31 PM
03/28/18 12:31 PM
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Texas
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When I ran the range for a mid size agency I would run a qualification course on any retiree if they showed up. I had some guys coming in that had moved to TX from out of state. If they required a specific course of fire I asked for a copy to show compliance when I filled out their form. They brought the box of rounds and I gladly took care of the required paperwork. (authorized by the boss of course)

I may not be the best one to ask as I believe in less restrictions not more. Police do qualifications at a higher level than license to carry holders. We should move to simplify all rules in regard to the legal right to carry firearms. Just my 2 cents. (20+ years as LEO)

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Re: Yearly Qualification [Re: Old Mustang Guy] #4709574
03/28/18 12:44 PM
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Elizabethtown, Pa
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You will see an increase in bad things happening as older folks that carry and otherwise shoot/own guns develop Alzheimers. No easy solutions here. I certainly don't have one other than loved ones that are in a position to do so remove the firearm accesability for that individual.


Re: Yearly Qualification [Re: Al] #4709582
03/28/18 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted By: Al
You will see an increase in bad things happening as older folks that carry and otherwise shoot/own guns develop Alzheimers.

Any data to back up this weird notion? Alzheimer and guns have both been around quite a long time and I don't recall EVER seeing anything either in media sensationalism OR actual demographic studies showing your proposed correlation.

Maybe you are overlooking the fact that a large portion of ALL gun deaths are attributed to seniors using them for the purpose of suicide. You want to take that option away from them?

Re: Yearly Qualification [Re: Al] #4709583
03/28/18 12:52 PM
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Texas
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Originally Posted By: Al
You will see an increase in bad things happening as older folks that carry and otherwise shoot/own guns develop Alzheimers. No easy solutions here. I certainly don't have one other than loved ones that are in a position to do so remove the firearm accesability for that individual.


I see where you are going with this and I agree. As an avid shooter I would hope that I will recognize my limitations when the time comes. Same as with my drivers license when it comes to that. Getting older is not always kind to a person. Maybe having "the talk" with the retirees wasn't a bad idea in the first place. I will be laying ground work with my family for the future. No one to leave my hardware to in the future, looks like I'm it. Some new boots at the local Sheriff's office will benefit from that, I guarantee it.


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Re: Yearly Qualification [Re: Old Mustang Guy] #4709593
03/28/18 12:57 PM
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Its a stupid requirement of the retired officers right to carry nationwide bill.

Trying to find an actual agency that WILL qualify retirees, every year, is a pain in the neck. They have to pay several range officers, several days (weeks?) pay, to try and comply with this and qualify all the retired officers in the area, ON TOP of the range officers normal duties. Its a cluster, and I'd like to see that part of the law done away with. They are no longer cops, just average citizens wanting to carry their firearms, they should not be required to qualify annually.

One in ten Florida citizens has a carry permit, and none of them are required to qualify annually. These retired cops shouldn't be required to either.


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