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ACDelco PF64 - C&P - Torn Media! #4709081
03/27/18 11:23 PM
03/27/18 11:23 PM
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This filter was on my 2017 ATS for 5k miles running dealer D1G2 bulk. I have an analysis of the oil coming which came out nasty and smelly. Worst looking oil I've ever pulled out of a non-diesel engine. Then again it's my first DI Turbo. The virgin analysis can be found at:

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4611909/AC_Delco_D1G2_5w30_-_Dealer_Bu

The sad news is that the filter tore, in the obvious spot when the media is poorly spaced. The media was torn at both ends of that one pleat where it had no support on either side. It bent over and tore as a result.

My praise of this filter being of decent quality in my previous C&P is now renounced and I will be using the dealer oil changes with this filter only for quick 500 km runs while I run Gumout and DI intake cleaner every OCI. I will then proceed to dump it and replace with D1G2, or better spec oil, and a known quality filter with metal screen backing and synthetic media. Tired of worrying about filters... it's 2018 and we're still dealing with filters with torn media. crzy

Enjoy the pics.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/t1rieh9wmiago27/AAAeytXJeOp_2B3KTA7DIsnKa?dl=0



17 Cadillac ATS 2.0T, Edge D1G2 5w30, XG10575
17 Dodge GC, VWB 5w20, Fram DL11665
15 DL650, Rotella T6 5w40, KN-138
Small engines; RT5 10w30
Re: ACDelco PF64 - C&P - Torn Media! [Re: webfors] #4709088
03/27/18 11:40 PM
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Maine, USA
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I wonder what the dealer would say if you show them the pics. Better not blame the customer...


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'08 Hyundai Elantra-Mobil 1
'96 Ranger R72 90hpJohnson
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01 Kawasaki KDX 220r
Re: ACDelco PF64 - C&P - Torn Media! [Re: webfors] #4709167
03/28/18 05:31 AM
03/28/18 05:31 AM
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Scary thing is, your average GM owner would never see any of this! Lots of fuel dilution, bad Purolator level filter, ran out to OLM settings. Why did that timing chain fail early again?? crzy


06 Ram 3500 CTD 4X4(FG Venturi), 93 GMC C3500 6.2, 89 F-450 7.3, 98 XJ 4.0(XG8A), 05 xB(XG3600), 18 Transit 3.7, 03 Merc Grand Marquis 4.6 2V(XG2)
Re: ACDelco PF64 - C&P - Torn Media! [Re: webfors] #4709179
03/28/18 05:56 AM
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Thanks for sharing. Gumout is a brand name with 11 products. Which one did you like to use? Thanks.


If you want the job done right......do it yourself.
Re: ACDelco PF64 - C&P - Torn Media! [Re: webfors] #4709185
03/28/18 06:25 AM
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I just put that filter on my Malibu not good . Might have to use the new and improved Purolators One or Boss the media is stronger


2013 Malibu 2LT M1 5w30
2013 Accord Sport M1 AP 0w20
Re: ACDelco PF64 - C&P - Torn Media! [Re: Snagglefoot] #4709228
03/28/18 07:20 AM
03/28/18 07:20 AM
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Great White North.. eh
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Originally Posted By: Snagglefoot
Thanks for sharing. Gumout is a brand name with 11 products. Which one did you like to use? Thanks.


Regane Complete and All-in-One.


17 Cadillac ATS 2.0T, Edge D1G2 5w30, XG10575
17 Dodge GC, VWB 5w20, Fram DL11665
15 DL650, Rotella T6 5w40, KN-138
Small engines; RT5 10w30
Re: ACDelco PF64 - C&P - Torn Media! [Re: pda1122] #4709233
03/28/18 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted By: pda1122
I wonder what the dealer would say if you show them the pics. Better not blame the customer...


If I had the cycles and patience I could probably escalate to the highest levels and get something out of it. Not sure I want to expend those cycles.


17 Cadillac ATS 2.0T, Edge D1G2 5w30, XG10575
17 Dodge GC, VWB 5w20, Fram DL11665
15 DL650, Rotella T6 5w40, KN-138
Small engines; RT5 10w30
Re: ACDelco PF64 - C&P - Torn Media! [Re: bullwinkle] #4709234
03/28/18 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted By: bullwinkle
Scary thing is, your average GM owner would never see any of this! Lots of fuel dilution, bad Purolator level filter, ran out to OLM settings. Why did that timing chain fail early again?? crzy


OLM was at 32% when I pulled this filter. It was trending towards 7.5-8k for a 0% OLM.


17 Cadillac ATS 2.0T, Edge D1G2 5w30, XG10575
17 Dodge GC, VWB 5w20, Fram DL11665
15 DL650, Rotella T6 5w40, KN-138
Small engines; RT5 10w30
Re: ACDelco PF64 - C&P - Torn Media! [Re: webfors] #4709237
03/28/18 07:30 AM
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I wonder if 2k changes with VWB and a Fram extra guard wouldn't be the better option in these engines. It will be an interesting UOA.


17 Cadillac ATS 2.0T, Edge D1G2 5w30, XG10575
17 Dodge GC, VWB 5w20, Fram DL11665
15 DL650, Rotella T6 5w40, KN-138
Small engines; RT5 10w30
Re: ACDelco PF64 - C&P - Torn Media! [Re: webfors] #4709239
03/28/18 07:32 AM
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Nice:
1.) Had plenty XG10575 filters that fit both 5.3L engines
2.) Read all the BITOG stuff on new 5.3L and bypass psi
3.) Just bought six AC Delco PF63E filters

Re: ACDelco PF64 - C&P - Torn Media! [Re: webfors] #4709248
03/28/18 07:41 AM
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Toronto Canada
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The oil doesn't look to bad. This engine will be fine. I may be old school but I still change oil in a new engine very early. Maybe 500 miles.

Re: ACDelco PF64 - C&P - Torn Media! [Re: webfors] #4709251
03/28/18 07:42 AM
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Jupiter, FL
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I use the same filter (PF64) on the Camaro, guess next time I change my oil I will cut open my filter.

Hopefully this is just a fluke and it does not happen again.


2017 Camaro SS 1LE (Motul 8100 X-clean 5W40)
1997 Jeep XJ 4x4 (15W40 HDEO Maxlife)
Re: ACDelco PF64 - C&P - Torn Media! [Re: 4WD] #4709257
03/28/18 07:50 AM
03/28/18 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted By: 4WD
Nice:
1.) Had plenty XG10575 filters that fit both 5.3L engines
2.) Read all the BITOG stuff on new 5.3L and bypass psi
3.) Just bought six AC Delco PF63E filters


E stands for an ecore design, correct? No thanks. If they can't get the pleat spacing right the ecore is an even higher liability. Bypass spec is irrelevant if oil is bypassing the media.

Here is my ecore experience. ACDelco is 2 for 2 now from my experience.

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/1813381/1


17 Cadillac ATS 2.0T, Edge D1G2 5w30, XG10575
17 Dodge GC, VWB 5w20, Fram DL11665
15 DL650, Rotella T6 5w40, KN-138
Small engines; RT5 10w30
Re: ACDelco PF64 - C&P - Torn Media! [Re: WobblyElvis] #4709258
03/28/18 07:51 AM
03/28/18 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted By: WobblyElvis
The oil doesn't look to bad. This engine will be fine. I may be old school but I still change oil in a new engine very early. Maybe 500 miles.


The oil was changed three times before 5k miles.


17 Cadillac ATS 2.0T, Edge D1G2 5w30, XG10575
17 Dodge GC, VWB 5w20, Fram DL11665
15 DL650, Rotella T6 5w40, KN-138
Small engines; RT5 10w30
Re: ACDelco PF64 - C&P - Torn Media! [Re: thescreensavers] #4709259
03/28/18 07:53 AM
03/28/18 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted By: thescreensavers
I use the same filter (PF64) on the Camaro, guess next time I change my oil I will cut open my filter.

Hopefully this is just a fluke and it does not happen again.


I would use them again if the filter can was clear and I could see the quality of the media pleating *before* I put it on my car.

Otherwise I'll go with a filter media design that mitigates against this scenario.


17 Cadillac ATS 2.0T, Edge D1G2 5w30, XG10575
17 Dodge GC, VWB 5w20, Fram DL11665
15 DL650, Rotella T6 5w40, KN-138
Small engines; RT5 10w30
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