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#4708097 - 03/27/18 02:57 AM GTL Plant to be built in Canada
Nyogtha Offline


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The article describes this as a commercial scale GTL plant, but it will only produce 500 BPD, about two tanker truckloads, of naphtha and diesel.

https://www.kallanishenergy.com/2017/12/04/rocky-mountain-gtl-to-build-canadian-gtl-project/
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#4708116 - 03/27/18 04:52 AM Re: GTL Plant to be built in Canada [Re: Nyogtha]
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There was an Aussie company thta was going to use GTL, and road train tankers to avoid installing a pipeline.

Were going to use underground gassification as feedstock

They messed up, currently in court for environmental offences, and unrepresented as they are in recievership.

I thought that the GTL and tanker was a good way of getting an income stream while building money for the pipeline...not sure of the underground syngas however.

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#4708119 - 03/27/18 05:11 AM Re: GTL Plant to be built in Canada [Re: Nyogtha]
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There are trains known as unitrains that are kind of rolling pipelines in the US & Canada. One I know of is ULSD from Quebec to the US.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_train
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#4708126 - 03/27/18 05:27 AM Re: GTL Plant to be built in Canada [Re: Nyogtha]
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Can't wait for Musk to claim that he can build one of these "trains"

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#4708136 - 03/27/18 05:53 AM Re: GTL Plant to be built in Canada [Re: Nyogtha]
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To Mars?
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#4708139 - 03/27/18 05:54 AM Re: GTL Plant to be built in Canada [Re: Nyogtha]
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LOL, yeah

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#4708170 - 03/27/18 06:43 AM Re: GTL Plant to be built in Canada [Re: Nyogtha]
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Originally Posted By: Nyogtha
The article describes this as a commercial scale GTL plant, but it will only produce 500 BPD, about two tanker truckloads, of naphtha and diesel.

https://www.kallanishenergy.com/2017/12/04/rocky-mountain-gtl-to-build-canadian-gtl-project/


Thanks for the update. This is in my neck of the woods. GTL is interesting technology and as Shell has discovered the best economics is with making feedstock for motor oil. These guys want to make diesel, so a bit more of a challenge as the price you get for diesel is so much less than motor oil. Well see.


Edited by Snagglefoot (03/27/18 07:09 AM)

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#4708176 - 03/27/18 06:54 AM Re: GTL Plant to be built in Canada [Re: Nyogtha]
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Should be interesting to watch. I don't see the cost/revenue working for them.

Check out this video - what greyrock call waste gas, is actually steam from cooling towers.
If they want to muddy the message like this on their main home page, what's really going on here?
Greyrock is supplying the GTL technology.

http://www.greyrock.com/
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#4708183 - 03/27/18 07:06 AM Re: GTL Plant to be built in Canada [Re: Nyogtha]
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Yeah, letss see how they do with natural gas from a pipeline as a feedstock first. By the way the Sturgeon refinery in Edmonton is about to start production , making 50,000 bbls per day of diesel directly from bitumen. 5 years in the making and 100% over budget.


Edited by Snagglefoot (03/27/18 07:19 AM)

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#4708264 - 03/27/18 09:00 AM Re: GTL Plant to be built in Canada [Re: Snagglefoot]
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Loc: Winchester, Indiana
Originally Posted By: Snagglefoot
the price you get for diesel is so much less than motor oil.


Whaaaaa?
1 gallon diesel fuel: ~$3.00 USD
5 quarts GTL engine oil: ~$25+

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#4708308 - 03/27/18 09:55 AM Re: GTL Plant to be built in Canada [Re: SubieRubyRoo]
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Registered: 12/31/17
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Originally Posted By: SubieRubyRoo
Originally Posted By: Snagglefoot
the price you get for diesel is so much less than motor oil.


Whaaaaa?
1 gallon diesel fuel: ~$3.00 USD
5 quarts GTL engine oil: ~$25+



That's what I mean. You get $25 for engine oil and only $3 for Diesel. These guys are trying to make diesel.

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#4708327 - 03/27/18 10:05 AM Re: GTL Plant to be built in Canada [Re: Snagglefoot]
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Registered: 03/04/17
Posts: 3472
Loc: Soviet State of Washington
Originally Posted By: Snagglefoot
Originally Posted By: Nyogtha
The article describes this as a commercial scale GTL plant, but it will only produce 500 BPD, about two tanker truckloads, of naphtha and diesel.

https://www.kallanishenergy.com/2017/12/04/rocky-mountain-gtl-to-build-canadian-gtl-project/


Thanks for the update. This is in my neck of the woods. GTL is interesting technology and as Shell has discovered the best economics is with making feedstock for motor oil. These guys want to make diesel, so a bit more of a challenge as the price you get for diesel is so much less than motor oil. Well see.




Hopefully Shell has it all figured out as they went all in and bet the farm on that Pearl GTL plant. The amount of money they spent is staggering.


Edited by PimTac (03/27/18 10:06 AM)
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#4708485 - 03/27/18 12:59 PM Re: GTL Plant to be built in Canada [Re: Snagglefoot]
Nyogtha Offline


Registered: 10/13/14
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Loc: San Antonio, TX
Originally Posted By: Snagglefoot
Originally Posted By: Nyogtha
The article describes this as a commercial scale GTL plant, but it will only produce 500 BPD, about two tanker truckloads, of naphtha and diesel.

https://www.kallanishenergy.com/2017/12/04/rocky-mountain-gtl-to-build-canadian-gtl-project/


Thanks for the update. This is in my neck of the woods. GTL is interesting technology and as Shell has discovered the best economics is with making feedstock for motor oil. These guys want to make diesel, so a bit more of a challenge as the price you get for diesel is so much less than motor oil. Well see.


Shell makes a lot of jet fuel and diesel, as well as naphtha, from their Pearl GTL plant. Transportation fuels are what really pays the bills with lubes as more of a sideline. The cetane rating of diesel produced from the GTL process can be as high as 70, leaving a lot of room for blending with less costly lower cetane material. Last figures I recall is the lube base stock production at the Pearl facility is around 24K BPD out of 140 KBPD total production, with middle ditillates being maximized.

Your economics at retail include a lot of expensive additives in a finihed lubricant while the Pearl facility only manufactures lube base oils, something to consider.


Edited by Nyogtha (03/27/18 01:12 PM)
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#4708488 - 03/27/18 01:04 PM Re: GTL Plant to be built in Canada [Re: Danno]
Nyogtha Offline


Registered: 10/13/14
Posts: 2150
Loc: San Antonio, TX
Originally Posted By: Danno
Should be interesting to watch. I don't see the cost/revenue working for them.

Check out this video - what greyrock call waste gas, is actually steam from cooling towers.
If they want to muddy the message like this on their main home page, what's really going on here?
Greyrock is supplying the GTL technology.

http://www.greyrock.com/


Yeah I'm skeptical this will be a commercial success, look at some of the other stuff Greyrock is into. What's most interesting to me is this "demonstration" plant in my eyes plans to use CO2 emissions from the equipment as part of the feedstock. Time will tell.
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#4708555 - 03/27/18 02:26 PM Re: GTL Plant to be built in Canada [Re: Nyogtha]
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Registered: 08/12/13
Posts: 243
Loc: Alberta
http://strathmoretimes.com/2018/new-synthetic-diesel-plant-near-carseland/

It's a small scale operation for local use. Rather than try to sequester or release CO2, I suspect they can utilize it. The carsland plant has been around for a long time. It's about 50km from me right now.

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