Recent Topics
Penrite LV ATF
by toyota62
07/22/18 01:30 AM
Valvoline MaxLife Full Synthetic Multi-Vehicle ATF
by glmtd
07/22/18 12:17 AM
Kendall GT1 euro
by Bullwinkle007
07/22/18 12:05 AM
$14 5qt. QS 10w-40 syn blend + $5 GC - wallys
by lairdwd
07/21/18 09:06 PM
Synthetic from dino?
by S2K
07/21/18 08:35 PM
Voltage fluctuation 2012 Elantra
by schuylkill
07/21/18 08:28 PM
Tranfer Case 2016 GMC Sierra 1500 6.2 8 speed
by dareo
07/21/18 07:39 PM
Caliper slide pin questions
by ZZman
07/21/18 07:24 PM
Perfect Afternoon with F7Fs
by Yah-Tah-Hey
07/21/18 06:10 PM
Blending E85 to use as cleaner in non-FFV
by ltslimjim
07/21/18 05:33 PM
01 Tahoe instrument cluster replacement question
by mjk
07/21/18 05:25 PM
Reasonable price to pay some one to detail?
by Colt45ws
07/21/18 05:09 PM
FCA upheaval--Marchionne ill, Jeep CEO takes over
by Carmudgeon
07/21/18 04:42 PM
Duck Boat
by Zee09
07/21/18 04:23 PM
What are these valves and can I use them to...
by E150GT
07/21/18 04:06 PM
OBD Tool
by dawgn86
07/21/18 03:31 PM
Any experience with the new FA-4 oils?
by SubaJew
07/21/18 03:24 PM
What's the average life (in miles) of mc tires
by JeepWJ19
07/21/18 03:00 PM
Car Recommendation: haul an electric scooter
by brueggma1
07/21/18 02:54 PM
300ZX Starter replacement
by aquariuscsm
07/21/18 02:50 PM
Newest Members
ppreedom, krugger, jznwhite, S2K, tweak999
65524 Registered Users
Who's Online
30 registered (Alex11111, AVB, Blkstanger, Bullwinkle007, Ag76, boom10ful, 1 invisible), 910 Guests and 33 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Stats
65524 Members
67 Forums
287440 Topics
4795235 Posts

Max Online: 3590 @ 01/24/17 08:07 PM
Donate to BITOG
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >
Topic Options
#4708097 - 03/27/18 02:57 AM GTL Plant to be built in Canada
Nyogtha Offline


Registered: 10/13/14
Posts: 2337
Loc: San Antonio, TX
The article describes this as a commercial scale GTL plant, but it will only produce 500 BPD, about two tanker truckloads, of naphtha and diesel.

https://www.kallanishenergy.com/2017/12/04/rocky-mountain-gtl-to-build-canadian-gtl-project/
_________________________
"No matter how paranoid you are you're not paranoid enough. Tell the truth. Reach as many people as you can with it. That's your weapon." - Susanne Modeski, aka "Holly" to The Lone Gunmen

Top
#4708116 - 03/27/18 04:52 AM Re: GTL Plant to be built in Canada [Re: Nyogtha]
Shannow Online   content


Registered: 12/12/02
Posts: 40197
Loc: 'Stralia
There was an Aussie company thta was going to use GTL, and road train tankers to avoid installing a pipeline.

Were going to use underground gassification as feedstock

They messed up, currently in court for environmental offences, and unrepresented as they are in recievership.

I thought that the GTL and tanker was a good way of getting an income stream while building money for the pipeline...not sure of the underground syngas however.

Top
#4708119 - 03/27/18 05:11 AM Re: GTL Plant to be built in Canada [Re: Nyogtha]
Nyogtha Offline


Registered: 10/13/14
Posts: 2337
Loc: San Antonio, TX
There are trains known as unitrains that are kind of rolling pipelines in the US & Canada. One I know of is ULSD from Quebec to the US.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_train
_________________________
"No matter how paranoid you are you're not paranoid enough. Tell the truth. Reach as many people as you can with it. That's your weapon." - Susanne Modeski, aka "Holly" to The Lone Gunmen

Top
#4708126 - 03/27/18 05:27 AM Re: GTL Plant to be built in Canada [Re: Nyogtha]
Shannow Online   content


Registered: 12/12/02
Posts: 40197
Loc: 'Stralia


Can't wait for Musk to claim that he can build one of these "trains"

Top
#4708136 - 03/27/18 05:53 AM Re: GTL Plant to be built in Canada [Re: Nyogtha]
Nyogtha Offline


Registered: 10/13/14
Posts: 2337
Loc: San Antonio, TX
To Mars?
_________________________
"No matter how paranoid you are you're not paranoid enough. Tell the truth. Reach as many people as you can with it. That's your weapon." - Susanne Modeski, aka "Holly" to The Lone Gunmen

Top
#4708139 - 03/27/18 05:54 AM Re: GTL Plant to be built in Canada [Re: Nyogtha]
Shannow Online   content


Registered: 12/12/02
Posts: 40197
Loc: 'Stralia
LOL, yeah

Top
#4708170 - 03/27/18 06:43 AM Re: GTL Plant to be built in Canada [Re: Nyogtha]
Snagglefoot Offline


Registered: 12/31/17
Posts: 1911
Loc: SE British Columbia, Canada
Originally Posted By: Nyogtha
The article describes this as a commercial scale GTL plant, but it will only produce 500 BPD, about two tanker truckloads, of naphtha and diesel.

https://www.kallanishenergy.com/2017/12/04/rocky-mountain-gtl-to-build-canadian-gtl-project/


Thanks for the update. This is in my neck of the woods. GTL is interesting technology and as Shell has discovered the best economics is with making feedstock for motor oil. These guys want to make diesel, so a bit more of a challenge as the price you get for diesel is so much less than motor oil. We’ll see.


Edited by Snagglefoot (03/27/18 07:09 AM)

Top
#4708176 - 03/27/18 06:54 AM Re: GTL Plant to be built in Canada [Re: Nyogtha]
Danno Offline


Registered: 10/07/12
Posts: 2023
Loc: Northern Ontario, Canada
Should be interesting to watch. I don't see the cost/revenue working for them.

Check out this video - what greyrock call waste gas, is actually steam from cooling towers.
If they want to muddy the message like this on their main home page, what's really going on here?
Greyrock is supplying the GTL technology.

http://www.greyrock.com/
_________________________
2016 Sorento SX V6 AWD
2015 KIA RIO SX
2010 Mazda 3 2.0L
2009 Venza V6 AWD
2013 Sonata 2.4L RIP in write-off crash

Top
#4708183 - 03/27/18 07:06 AM Re: GTL Plant to be built in Canada [Re: Nyogtha]
Snagglefoot Offline


Registered: 12/31/17
Posts: 1911
Loc: SE British Columbia, Canada
Yeah, lets’s see how they do with natural gas from a pipeline as a feedstock first. By the way the Sturgeon refinery in Edmonton is about to start production , making 50,000 bbls per day of diesel directly from bitumen. 5 years in the making and 100% over budget.


Edited by Snagglefoot (03/27/18 07:19 AM)

Top
#4708264 - 03/27/18 09:00 AM Re: GTL Plant to be built in Canada [Re: Snagglefoot]
SubieRubyRoo Offline


Registered: 05/14/12
Posts: 1232
Loc: Winchester, Indiana
Originally Posted By: Snagglefoot
the price you get for diesel is so much less than motor oil.


Whaaaaa?
1 gallon diesel fuel: ~$3.00 USD
5 quarts GTL engine oil: ~$25+

Top
#4708308 - 03/27/18 09:55 AM Re: GTL Plant to be built in Canada [Re: SubieRubyRoo]
Snagglefoot Offline


Registered: 12/31/17
Posts: 1911
Loc: SE British Columbia, Canada
Originally Posted By: SubieRubyRoo
Originally Posted By: Snagglefoot
the price you get for diesel is so much less than motor oil.


Whaaaaa?
1 gallon diesel fuel: ~$3.00 USD
5 quarts GTL engine oil: ~$25+



That's what I mean. You get $25 for engine oil and only $3 for Diesel. These guys are trying to make diesel.

Top
#4708327 - 03/27/18 10:05 AM Re: GTL Plant to be built in Canada [Re: Snagglefoot]
PimTac Offline


Registered: 03/04/17
Posts: 4648
Loc: Soviet State of Washington
Originally Posted By: Snagglefoot
Originally Posted By: Nyogtha
The article describes this as a commercial scale GTL plant, but it will only produce 500 BPD, about two tanker truckloads, of naphtha and diesel.

https://www.kallanishenergy.com/2017/12/04/rocky-mountain-gtl-to-build-canadian-gtl-project/


Thanks for the update. This is in my neck of the woods. GTL is interesting technology and as Shell has discovered the best economics is with making feedstock for motor oil. These guys want to make diesel, so a bit more of a challenge as the price you get for diesel is so much less than motor oil. We’ll see.




Hopefully Shell has it all figured out as they went all in and bet the farm on that Pearl GTL plant. The amount of money they spent is staggering.


Edited by PimTac (03/27/18 10:06 AM)
Edit Reason: Correcting auto correct
_________________________
2017 Mazda CX-5 Grand Touring

Valvoline Advanced Synthetic 0w20
Mobil 1 M108A EP filter


Top
#4708485 - 03/27/18 12:59 PM Re: GTL Plant to be built in Canada [Re: Snagglefoot]
Nyogtha Offline


Registered: 10/13/14
Posts: 2337
Loc: San Antonio, TX
Originally Posted By: Snagglefoot
Originally Posted By: Nyogtha
The article describes this as a commercial scale GTL plant, but it will only produce 500 BPD, about two tanker truckloads, of naphtha and diesel.

https://www.kallanishenergy.com/2017/12/04/rocky-mountain-gtl-to-build-canadian-gtl-project/


Thanks for the update. This is in my neck of the woods. GTL is interesting technology and as Shell has discovered the best economics is with making feedstock for motor oil. These guys want to make diesel, so a bit more of a challenge as the price you get for diesel is so much less than motor oil. We’ll see.


Shell makes a lot of jet fuel and diesel, as well as naphtha, from their Pearl GTL plant. Transportation fuels are what really pays the bills with lubes as more of a sideline. The cetane rating of diesel produced from the GTL process can be as high as 70, leaving a lot of room for blending with less costly lower cetane material. Last figures I recall is the lube base stock production at the Pearl facility is around 24K BPD out of 140 KBPD total production, with middle ditillates being maximized.

Your economics at retail include a lot of expensive additives in a finihed lubricant while the Pearl facility only manufactures lube base oils, something to consider.


Edited by Nyogtha (03/27/18 01:12 PM)
_________________________
"No matter how paranoid you are you're not paranoid enough. Tell the truth. Reach as many people as you can with it. That's your weapon." - Susanne Modeski, aka "Holly" to The Lone Gunmen

Top
#4708488 - 03/27/18 01:04 PM Re: GTL Plant to be built in Canada [Re: Danno]
Nyogtha Offline


Registered: 10/13/14
Posts: 2337
Loc: San Antonio, TX
Originally Posted By: Danno
Should be interesting to watch. I don't see the cost/revenue working for them.

Check out this video - what greyrock call waste gas, is actually steam from cooling towers.
If they want to muddy the message like this on their main home page, what's really going on here?
Greyrock is supplying the GTL technology.

http://www.greyrock.com/


Yeah I'm skeptical this will be a commercial success, look at some of the other stuff Greyrock is into. What's most interesting to me is this "demonstration" plant in my eyes plans to use CO2 emissions from the equipment as part of the feedstock. Time will tell.
_________________________
"No matter how paranoid you are you're not paranoid enough. Tell the truth. Reach as many people as you can with it. That's your weapon." - Susanne Modeski, aka "Holly" to The Lone Gunmen

Top
#4708555 - 03/27/18 02:26 PM Re: GTL Plant to be built in Canada [Re: Nyogtha]
tcp71 Offline


Registered: 08/12/13
Posts: 291
Loc: Alberta
http://strathmoretimes.com/2018/new-synthetic-diesel-plant-near-carseland/

It's a small scale operation for local use. Rather than try to sequester or release CO2, I suspect they can utilize it. The carsland plant has been around for a long time. It's about 50km from me right now.

Top
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >