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Rand Clp #4708055
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Anyone ever use it?? If not what’s the best CLP you’ve ever used?

Re: Rand Clp [Re: Tobin28] #4708057
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Was never too impressed with any CLPs, but I am also not boots on the ground in a hostile nation where I have to pack light.

When I need to do any serious cleaning, I use a solvent based spray like Birchwood Casey gun scrubber to blast it all out and then liberally coat everything with Mpro 7, Mobil1 20W50, or Shooter's Choice grease. It's not a 1-and-done type of procedure, but it gets everything REALLY clean compared to just CLP.

Re: Rand Clp [Re: Tobin28] #4708079
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Originally Posted By: Tobin28
Anyone ever use it?? If not what’s the best CLP you’ve ever used?

I'm very familiar with rand. Their addpack is good, but vegetable oil tends to get sticky fast. I couldn't really point to a best, but Lucas extreme gun oil, g96 synthetic, and mpro7 lpx have all done ok for me.

Re: Rand Clp [Re: Tobin28] #4708084
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Junk, vegetable oil base bio lube with "nano technology" (says so right on their website). Whatever that means. Dont waste your time or money. Avoid vegetable lubes. They will glue your gun together if you don't use it for 18 months.

Any of these are decent CLP lubes:
G96 synthetic CLP
Weaponshield
M-Pro 7
Breakfree
Shooters Choice FP-10
Hoppe's Elite Gun Oil


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Re: Rand Clp [Re: Tobin28] #4708099
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A good, basic principal to follow with any type of "modern" firearm lubrication.... If it's, "good for the environment", it's most likely lousy for your gun. And this includes most ANY plant ester based lubricant. Don't walk away, RUN away from them. With the possible exception of Mineral Oil, stick with petroleum based oils, greases, and lubricants.

Re: Rand Clp [Re: Tobin28] #4708416
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I use Breakfree CLP on all my handguns and my AR. I know some aren't a fan but its working well for me!


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Re: Rand Clp [Re: billt460] #4708443
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Originally Posted By: billt460
A good, basic principal to follow with any type of "modern" firearm lubrication.... If it's, "good for the environment", it's most likely lousy for your gun. And this includes most ANY plant ester based lubricant. Don't walk away, RUN away from them. With the possible exception of Mineral Oil, stick with petroleum based oils, greases, and lubricants.


Well, most esters are reacted from vegetable oils, but the resulting product is NOT a gummy virgin vegetable oil, but a completely new lubricant

With a Flash Point of ~ 600F I have to think it contains a very high FP POE ester or polymer ester.

And esters are noted for their detergent (cleaning) ability.

However, they cannot by themselves remove metal fouling.

A substance such as a Borated ester probably describes the AW (nano) component.

To me, a Bore Cleaner and a Firearms' Lubricant are two different chemistries.

Last edited by MolaKule; 03/27/18 12:14 PM.

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Re: Rand Clp [Re: Tobin28] #4708595
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I've got some Frog Lube'd safe queens that I'm waiting to become "glued together" or show any kind of gumminess or stickiness. Been sitting there over 3 years now. It just hasn't happened. Picked some up dirt cheap just to try out. That being said, I've used a multitude of lubes (petroleum and otherwise based) and not one has given me unsatisfactory results. Am I doing something wrong? shrug


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Re: Rand Clp [Re: 28oz] #4708913
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Originally Posted By: 28oz
I've got some Frog Lube'd safe queens


Check for mold. Seriously.


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Re: Rand Clp [Re: bubbatime] #4709009
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Originally Posted By: bubbatime
Originally Posted By: 28oz
I've got some Frog Lube'd safe queens


Check for mold. Seriously.


I check everything, generally weekly. They all look like it was applied yesterday. I really don't get the negative hysteria over this stuff. It has not been my experience at all.


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Re: Rand Clp [Re: 28oz] #4709140
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Originally Posted By: 28oz
Originally Posted By: bubbatime
Originally Posted By: 28oz
I've got some Frog Lube'd safe queens


Check for mold. Seriously.


I check everything, generally weekly. They all look like it was applied yesterday. I really don't get the negative hysteria over this stuff. It has not been my experience at all.


Sample of 1, I have had almost all of the popular veggie lubes, and the only one that didn't gum up was Geissele/ALG Go Juice. Froglube was pretty bad. Lots of people share my experiences, lots of people share yours. But would you buy an oil where lots of people posted online, with photos and other evidence, that it was directly responsible for destroying their main bearings? I sure as [censored] wouldn't. YMMV

Re: Rand Clp [Re: Ws6] #4709172
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Originally Posted By: Ws6
Sample of 1, I have had almost all of the popular veggie lubes, and the only one that didn't gum up was Geissele/ALG Go Juice. Froglube was pretty bad. Lots of people share my experiences, lots of people share yours. But would you buy an oil where lots of people posted online, with photos and other evidence, that it was directly responsible for destroying their main bearings? I sure as [censored] wouldn't. YMMV


Here I couldn't agree more. Why chance it based on the reasoning you just happened to get away with what most have not? With all the petro based "gun lubes" currently being marketed out there, not to mention all of the automotive lubricants and greases, both dino and synthetic, that for sure and for certain won't gum up, where is the reward if you manage to skirt the odds by using Frog Lube?

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Bubbatime brought his A game with this reply - use any of his recommendations with complete confidence !
Originally Posted By: bubbatime
Junk, vegetable oil base bio lube with "nano technology" (says so right on their website). Whatever that means. Dont waste your time or money. Avoid vegetable lubes. They will glue your gun together if you don't use it for 18 months.

Any of these are decent CLP lubes:
G96 synthetic CLP
Weaponshield
M-Pro 7
Breakfree
Shooters Choice FP-10
Hoppe's Elite Gun Oil


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Re: Rand Clp [Re: billt460] #4709387
03/28/18 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted By: billt460
Originally Posted By: Ws6
Sample of 1, I have had almost all of the popular veggie lubes, and the only one that didn't gum up was Geissele/ALG Go Juice. Froglube was pretty bad. Lots of people share my experiences, lots of people share yours. But would you buy an oil where lots of people posted online, with photos and other evidence, that it was directly responsible for destroying their main bearings? I sure as [censored] wouldn't. YMMV


Here I couldn't agree more. Why chance it based on the reasoning you just happened to get away with what most have not? With all the petro based "gun lubes" currently being marketed out there, not to mention all of the automotive lubricants and greases, both dino and synthetic, that for sure and for certain won't gum up, where is the reward if you manage to skirt the odds by using Frog Lube?


I agree, although I would ask you to qualify your "..most have not" statement. I'm not beholden to any one lube, including Frog Lube. I've used and own many. I bought this bottle for a couple dollars to try out. My experience has been my experience and I cannot speak for others, although, I've yet to come across any personal first hand negative experiences with it. Only the "I read online that it does this...or, I saw on Youtube" type of review. I simply posted *my* results. However, to say that *IT WILL* get gummy or "glue your gun together" as someone else mentioned, is disingenuous.

I am curious to see what happens when it gets mixed with a petroleum based lube (if I believe the internet, it will probably explode...). Last night, I mixed a 1:1 mixture of Frog Lube with some leftover virgin Castrol 0W-40 in a glass dish just for giggles. As of this morning, absolutely nothing visible has happened and is still extremely slick. I'll give it some time or apply some heat and post back if I observe anything. Nothing scientific, just observational. Cheers! USA


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Re: Rand Clp [Re: 28oz] #4709503
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Originally Posted By: 28oz
.....I am curious to see what happens when it gets mixed with a petroleum based lube (if I believe the internet, it will probably explode...).


It is Frog Lube, (not the Internet), who makes a big deal of this. They are the ones who say it is imperative that ALL of the petroleum based lubricant must be removed before any Frog Lube product is applied. Those who parrot this on the Internet are simply putting forth Frog Lube's own instructions that come with their product.... Along with the hair dryers, preheating, and all of their other over complicated application methods.

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