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#4707656 - 03/26/18 04:05 PM Low profile yet strong fastener remover?
dlundblad Offline


Registered: 09/30/13
Posts: 10193
Loc: Indiana
Okay guys, put your thinking caps on!

Trying to get 2 17mm bolts off the S60's front control arms. I've let the bolts soak in PB Blaster and have no access to a lift or a torch. I have new bolts so no big deal if these break. It needs to have some sort of bend or flex so it can clear the sub frame's ledge and the engine, but also allow me to get some decent leverage. Lots of pulling causes the car to sway while on my stands, which is rather scary too. I am using 3 ton stands to hold the car up, but I keep the floor jacks in place as well.

I've tried:
Offset wrench with a 43oz ball pein, which allowed me to loosen the driver side.
Long handled GearWrench 120XP 3/8" ratchet with a flex head. (Too much flex at the pin; I'll break it before the bolt.)
This ratcheting device from HF: (Weaker pin than the 120XP.)
https://www.harborfreight.com/14-in-38-in-drive-long-reach-dual-flex-head-ratchet-67994.html


The area I have to work with is where the guy's index finger is. The bolts are for the front most horizontal bushing. Passenger side shown in photo.


Outer view of the bushing shown for clarity. Horizontal bushing at the right side of the photo.
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#4707673 - 03/26/18 04:23 PM Re: Low profile yet strong fastener remover? [Re: dlundblad]
ZeeOSix Offline


Registered: 07/22/10
Posts: 17911
Loc: PNW
Don't fully understand the layout, but if you're not using a 6-point socket you are sure to round off the head. If that happens it will really complicate the whole ordeal.

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#4707675 - 03/26/18 04:28 PM Re: Low profile yet strong fastener remover? [Re: dlundblad]
dlundblad Offline


Registered: 09/30/13
Posts: 10193
Loc: Indiana


Here's a view of the control arm. The 2 bolts for that horizontal bushing is what's giving me heck.

In photo 1 of my OP, the bolts are about where the guys index finger is.
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#4707676 - 03/26/18 04:31 PM Re: Low profile yet strong fastener remover? [Re: dlundblad]
drtyler Offline


Registered: 01/04/06
Posts: 413
Loc: GA
Do you have room for 1/2" drive tools here?

HF has a long flex 1/2 ratchet, the extra leverage would probably do the trick, if a 1/2 drive 17mm socket and ratchet will work. Or a long breaker bar?

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#4707693 - 03/26/18 04:56 PM Re: Low profile yet strong fastener remover? [Re: dlundblad]
Trav Offline


Registered: 11/20/06
Posts: 19314
Loc: MA, Mittelfranken.de
You may have to jack the drive train up a little. Can you get the offset wrench on it?
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#4707717 - 03/26/18 05:18 PM Re: Low profile yet strong fastener remover? [Re: Trav]
dlundblad Offline


Registered: 09/30/13
Posts: 10193
Loc: Indiana
Originally Posted By: Trav
You may have to jack the drive train up a little. Can you get the offset wrench on it?


Yes. I just need more leverage.
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#4707726 - 03/26/18 05:34 PM Re: Low profile yet strong fastener remover? [Re: dlundblad]
Jooksing Offline


Registered: 03/05/18
Posts: 216
Loc: Chicago
I saw this one trick using a impact gun/chisel to dig into the head a little and drive it counterclockwise.

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#4707745 - 03/26/18 05:51 PM Re: Low profile yet strong fastener remover? [Re: dlundblad]
Kawiguy454 Offline


Registered: 06/01/15
Posts: 597
Loc: Arizona
have you tried a 17mm box end wrench? if it fits where you need it take a second 18-19mm box end and hook it onto the opposite-open end of the 17mm to double its length as a lever. Done this trick a hundred times on rusty car bolts.

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#4707786 - 03/26/18 06:56 PM Re: Low profile yet strong fastener remover? [Re: dlundblad]
Trav Offline


Registered: 11/20/06
Posts: 19314
Loc: MA, Mittelfranken.de
Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Originally Posted By: Trav
You may have to jack the drive train up a little. Can you get the offset wrench on it?


Yes. I just need more leverage.


BF dead blow hammer!
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#4707789 - 03/26/18 07:01 PM Re: Low profile yet strong fastener remover? [Re: dlundblad]
maxdustington Offline


Registered: 01/21/17
Posts: 886
Loc: Toronna
If it will not budge with PB it is time to step up to atf/acetone.
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#4707797 - 03/26/18 07:21 PM Re: Low profile yet strong fastener remover? [Re: dlundblad]
NoNameJoe Offline


Registered: 06/03/15
Posts: 434
Loc: New York
Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Originally Posted By: Trav
You may have to jack the drive train up a little. Can you get the offset wrench on it?


Yes. I just need more leverage.

Have you tried connecting a long box-end wrench to the other end of the offset wrench to increase the length? This has saved me many times in tight angles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ja7Ax45DGT8

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#4707885 - 03/26/18 08:29 PM Re: Low profile yet strong fastener remover? [Re: Trav]
dlundblad Offline


Registered: 09/30/13
Posts: 10193
Loc: Indiana
Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Originally Posted By: Trav
You may have to jack the drive train up a little. Can you get the offset wrench on it?


Yes. I just need more leverage.


BF dead blow hammer!


The ball pein I used was a dead blow if that matters.
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02 Volvo S60 2.4T 177k M1 0w40 Mahle OX149D
97 Chevy Blazer 4.3 149k Rotella T5 10w30 Supertech ST3980


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#4707886 - 03/26/18 08:30 PM Re: Low profile yet strong fastener remover? [Re: maxdustington]
dlundblad Offline


Registered: 09/30/13
Posts: 10193
Loc: Indiana
Originally Posted By: maxdustington
If it will not budge with PB it is time to step up to atf/acetone.


Tried it.
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#4707887 - 03/26/18 08:30 PM Re: Low profile yet strong fastener remover? [Re: NoNameJoe]
dlundblad Offline


Registered: 09/30/13
Posts: 10193
Loc: Indiana
Originally Posted By: NoNameJoe
Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Originally Posted By: Trav
You may have to jack the drive train up a little. Can you get the offset wrench on it?


Yes. I just need more leverage.

Have you tried connecting a long box-end wrench to the other end of the offset wrench to increase the length? This has saved me many times in tight angles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ja7Ax45DGT8


This may work if I can keep it balanced.
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03 Jeep WJ 4.0 199k Castrol Edge 10w40 HM Fram XG16
02 Volvo S60 2.4T 177k M1 0w40 Mahle OX149D
97 Chevy Blazer 4.3 149k Rotella T5 10w30 Supertech ST3980


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#4707889 - 03/26/18 08:31 PM Re: Low profile yet strong fastener remover? [Re: Kawiguy454]
dlundblad Offline


Registered: 09/30/13
Posts: 10193
Loc: Indiana
Originally Posted By: Kawiguy454
have you tried a 17mm box end wrench? if it fits where you need it take a second 18-19mm box end and hook it onto the opposite-open end of the 17mm to double its length as a lever. Done this trick a hundred times on rusty car bolts.


It needs to be offset. The sub frame has a ledge that I need to clear.
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03 Jeep WJ 4.0 199k Castrol Edge 10w40 HM Fram XG16
02 Volvo S60 2.4T 177k M1 0w40 Mahle OX149D
97 Chevy Blazer 4.3 149k Rotella T5 10w30 Supertech ST3980


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