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Bar oil VOA? #4707517
03/26/18 01:25 PM
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Anyone ever do a VOA on chainsaw bar lube? Be nice to know what is in it. I just use used motor oil for the past 25 yrs and it works fine. Just curious about it.

Re: Bar oil VOA? [Re: ridgerunner] #4707521
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Haven't had an analysis done, but the bar oil I use definitely has a tackifier in it. Have also used used used motor oil when I remember to save some.


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Re: Bar oil VOA? [Re: ridgerunner] #4707539
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Someone explain what is in a tackifier as well.

Re: Bar oil VOA? [Re: ridgerunner] #4707562
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I haven't done a VOA on one, but if I were formulating one, I would put a little oil, a lot of polymer, some anti-rust additive, and maybe a friction modifier in it.

A tackifier is a polymer additive that basically makes a fluid sticky to the touch and adds adhesive properties to it.

Re: Bar oil VOA? [Re: ridgerunner] #4707707
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Its way "tackier" than any motor or gear oil I have ran across. Now If I could just get my bars feed hole to stop plugging up with tree pulp, starving the chain!


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Re: Bar oil VOA? [Re: ridgerunner] #4707741
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There's a simple way of brewing your own.

Take a gallon of Mag1 5W20 Synthetic MO and add half of a Blue Bottle of STP or 4 oz. of the HyperLube goo oil additive to the container. Cap and turn container end-over-end about 6 times to mix.

You'll never have to clean the feed holes and it provides anti-wear and cling.

What you want is a 30 grade oil with a bit of ZDDP AW and cling.


Last edited by MolaKule; 03/26/18 05:59 PM. Reason: typos and clarity

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Re: Bar oil VOA? [Re: ridgerunner] #4707884
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I've used nothing but used motor oil for years.

The thick, black used diesel oil "sticks" to the chain the best, but makes a horrid black mess out of everything.

I used mostly used 5W-20, which "runs through" a little fast, but I don't mind the chain getting a little over-lubed.


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Re: Bar oil VOA? [Re: MolaKule] #4708140
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Originally Posted By: MolaKule
There's a simple way of brewing your own.

Take a gallon of Mag1 5W20 Synthetic MO and add half of a Blue Bottle of STP or 4 oz. of the HyperLube goo oil additive to the container. Cap and turn container end-over-end about 6 times to mix.

You'll never have to clean the feed holes and it provides anti-wear and cling.

What you want is a 30 grade oil with a bit of ZDDP AW and cling.



I'm using Stihl Ultra chain oil, their high end chain oil, in a pro level Stihl 362. I even have the oiler set wide open but I had to pull the bar and chain to clean out the oiler path from the head into the chain which was all full of pulp.


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Re: Bar oil VOA? [Re: ridgerunner] #4708473
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Too much Cling and not enough Sling. smile


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Re: Bar oil VOA? [Re: ridgerunner] #4709267
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My bar oil is clinging too much?


I urge people not to wait 100K to change out the fluid in their transfer case units. -Kestas
Re: Bar oil VOA? [Re: ridgerunner] #4712819
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i use plain non detergent sae 30 oil i don't want it to cling because it attracts sawdust.


1994 Ford F150 302 4R70
Chevron Delo SAE 30 CF/SL Fram XG8A

1978 Chevy Nova 250 I6 Borg Warner T5
Rotella 10W40 Fram XG5

Re: Bar oil VOA? [Re: ridgerunner] #4716494
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Update: I filled the saw oiler with leftover PUP 0w-20 and it definitely clogged up less. I'm not sure it's protecting as well since it hardly clings to the chain at all from the looks of it, but it has to be better than no oil from a completely clogged Stihl E-matic oiling system.

Keep in mind I am running the saw in ~30 F degree temps.


I urge people not to wait 100K to change out the fluid in their transfer case units. -Kestas
Re: Bar oil VOA? [Re: SOHCman] #4716609
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Originally Posted By: SOHCman
Update: I filled the saw oiler with leftover PUP 0w-20 and it definitely clogged up less. I'm not sure it's protecting as well since it hardly clings to the chain at all from the looks of it, but it has to be better than no oil from a completely clogged Stihl E-matic oiling system.

Keep in mind I am running the saw in ~30 F degree temps.

You shouldn't have problem using that my friend cuts wood and he to uses plain multi weight oil in his and the bar, chain, and rim last just as long. plus the build up is less.


1994 Ford F150 302 4R70
Chevron Delo SAE 30 CF/SL Fram XG8A

1978 Chevy Nova 250 I6 Borg Warner T5
Rotella 10W40 Fram XG5

Re: Bar oil VOA? [Re: jakewells] #4718241
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Originally Posted By: jakewells
i use plain non detergent sae 30 oil i don't want it to cling because it attracts sawdust.


The problem with most ND oils is they have only a single anti-foam additive component and no other additives, such as Anti-Wear, which the bar and chain needs to control wear.

For -30F, yeah, a 0W20/5W20 PCMO is what I would use.

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Re: Bar oil VOA? [Re: ridgerunner] #4718257
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Originally Posted By: ridgerunner
Anyone ever do a VOA on chainsaw bar lube? Be nice to know what is in it. I just use used motor oil for the past 25 yrs and it works fine. Just curious about it.


Used motor oil in a chainsaw creates a mist containing all kinds of contaminants. Not good for your health.


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