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Viscosity around the world #4706349
03/25/18 12:01 PM
03/25/18 12:01 PM
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HowAboutThis Offline OP
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I know I've seen posts on this before, but for giggles researched what my Corolla has for oil around the world. In the US 0w20 recommended. I think the manual says 5w30 in an emergency but should be changed back to 0w20. In Europe 0w30, 0w40, and 5w40 seem to be the options according to a couple different brand oil sites.

This makes me wonder...all the people on here asking, "can I run xw.xx in my car?" the answer has to literally be "any viscosity from 0w20 to 10w40 is fine." Aside from warranty issues, where I'd use what the manual says to be safe.

Thoughts, opinions, memes, facts, lies? Discuss.

Re: Viscosity around the world [Re: HowAboutThis] #4706356
03/25/18 12:04 PM
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We need a spreadsheet with Owners Manual call-outs for same cars around the world smile


Formerly in marine engineering. In an earlier life I owned my own petroleum tank truck, and hauled for the majors and independent's.
Re: Viscosity around the world [Re: HowAboutThis] #4706369
03/25/18 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted By: HowAboutThis
...all the people on here asking, "can I run xw-xx in my car?"
The answer has to literally be "any viscosity from 0w20 to 10w40 is fine."


Pretty much the truth.

Lots of mention from people that went from a 5W-20 to a 10W-30 and saw no change at all in fuel mileage.

I am really glad that 0W-20 exists for those folks up North in Jan/Fab, though....


"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: Viscosity around the world [Re: HowAboutThis] #4706373
03/25/18 12:13 PM
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Europe uses 30 and 40 in 90ish % of ICEs. The mandatory 20 is NA only.


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Re: Viscosity around the world [Re: HowAboutThis] #4706396
03/25/18 12:40 PM
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USA=CAFE. I think that pretty much sums it up.


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Re: Viscosity around the world [Re: demarpaint] #4706413
03/25/18 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted By: demarpaint
USA=CAFE. I think that pretty much sums it up.


+1. My mazda states in Canada and Mexico to use 5w30, it that's not available then use 5w20. In the USA i must use 0w20 for the warranty.
Supposedly the skyactiv engines were designed for 0w20 , but that does not jive with the owners manual.

It's all CAFE.


13 elantra 72k 5w30 QSUD
03 chevy avalanche 80k synpwr 5w30
17 mazda cx-5 7300 miles m1 0w30
Re: Viscosity around the world [Re: HowAboutThis] #4706426
03/25/18 01:21 PM
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Re: Viscosity around the world [Re: HowAboutThis] #4706445
03/25/18 01:46 PM
03/25/18 01:46 PM
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Alberta
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My 2007 Accord specs 5w-20 here in Canada, but 5W-30 the U.K. Maybe because of colder Canadian winter temps? confused At any rate, I'll stick with 5w-20 per my manual, easy enough just to follow Honda's recommendation.


'18 Impala
'05 Park Avenue
'07 Honda Accord
'09 VStar 1300
Re: Viscosity around the world [Re: HowAboutThis] #4706459
03/25/18 02:08 PM
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Illinois
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Another thick vs thin thread.


2007 Ford Fusion 236,000 miles
M1 0-20 EP
2017 Ford Fusion 62K
M1 0-20 EP
10,000 mile OCIs on both engines
M1 ATF and Valvoline LV
M1 10-30 in all OPE
MC filters

Re: Viscosity around the world [Re: tig1] #4706495
03/25/18 02:39 PM
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ohio
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I understand in the USA the viscosity vs CAFE issue, but if the manufacturers run tests on engines to see what oil weight gives the best fuel economy, wear protection, ease of starting why not pin it down to
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weight and say "5w-30" world wide to cover both hot climates and cold climates per engine?

Re: Viscosity around the world [Re: HowAboutThis] #4706501
03/25/18 02:44 PM
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Oregon
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I wonder if CAFE dictates that a particular grade (say 0W-20) must be used even for warranty for it to count towards average fuel economy.


2007 X5 4.8i: M1 HM 10W-30
2016 Countryman S: EDGE 0W-30
Re: Viscosity around the world [Re: tig1] #4706505
03/25/18 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted By: tig1
Another thick vs thin thread.


Yep and it will end the same way as the hundreds before it.


Cannot see signatures any longer so it doesn’t matter.
Re: Viscosity around the world [Re: HowAboutThis] #4706507
03/25/18 02:50 PM
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The truth is - most owner manuals say that in "high heat or towing higher viscosity oils may be used to prevent engine damage". So use what you want, and good luck finding cases of "rejected warranty due to oil viscosity"

Re: Viscosity around the world [Re: Olas] #4706516
03/25/18 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted By: Olas
Europe uses 30 and 40 in 90ish % of ICEs. ...
Do engines last longer in Europe as a result?


2011 Toyota Prius now at 95K
1981 Mazda GLC (323) retired at 606K
1972 Subaru DL retired at 190K
1954 Chevrolet retired at 121K
Re: Viscosity around the world [Re: PimTac] #4706521
03/25/18 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted By: PimTac
Yep and it will end the same way as the hundreds before it.


What I find hilarious is guys thumping their chest saying they use 5w30 because they think it's thick oil. Sorry boys, it ain't!

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