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#4703410 - 03/22/18 04:15 PM Valvoline Modern Engine oil has been downgraded
skyactiv Offline


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The early NOACK values Valvoline listed for this new oil were very nice. The new PI sheet shows Valvoline did some quick cost cutting on a product that has only been available for a few months.

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#4703413 - 03/22/18 04:17 PM Re: Valvoline Modern Engine oil has been downgraded [Re: skyactiv]
SubieRubyRoo Offline


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Because it's not moving off the shelves at $40/5qt when there are plenty of as-good or better oils at $25-30/5qt.

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#4703436 - 03/22/18 04:36 PM Re: Valvoline Modern Engine oil has been downgraded [Re: skyactiv]
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Does anyone recall what the NOACK was at before?

Wonder if there is any way to tell which is which once the sales start, maybe date codes.
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#4703446 - 03/22/18 04:44 PM Re: Valvoline Modern Engine oil has been downgraded [Re: skyactiv]
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How do you know this is due to cost cutting? The specs are still within the requirements for d1G2. While Noack is important it is only one aspect of the oil.
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#4703447 - 03/22/18 04:44 PM Re: Valvoline Modern Engine oil has been downgraded [Re: skyactiv]
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The $21.XX Advanced Full Synthetic shows better Noack. How this correlates with the quality of the overall product, i'm not sure...


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#4703453 - 03/22/18 04:47 PM Re: Valvoline Modern Engine oil has been downgraded [Re: wemay]
PimTac Offline


Registered: 03/04/17
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Originally Posted By: wemay
The $21.XX Advanced Full Synthetic shows better Noack. How this correlates with the quality of the overall product, i'm not sure...


https://sharena21.springcm.com/Public/Do...12-ac162d889bd1





Wemay, I think Valvoline is updating their PDS across the line. Notice that it states “Obsolete” at the bottom of the one you posted.
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#4703457 - 03/22/18 04:52 PM Re: Valvoline Modern Engine oil has been downgraded [Re: PimTac]
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"**obsolete" means that spec is obsolete not the sheet.

Originally Posted By: PimTac
Wemay, I think Valvoline is updating their PDS across the line. Notice that it states “Obsolete” at the bottom of the one you posted.
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#4703460 - 03/22/18 04:56 PM Re: Valvoline Modern Engine oil has been downgraded [Re: PimTac]
CR94 Offline


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Originally Posted By: PimTac
... Wemay, I think Valvoline is updating their PDS across the line. Notice that it states “Obsolete” at the bottom of the one you posted.
That footnote only means that certain GM specifications are obsolete, not that the PDS is obsolete.
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#4703463 - 03/22/18 04:57 PM Re: Valvoline Modern Engine oil has been downgraded [Re: Rand]
PimTac Offline


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Ah, I see. The other PDS shows a date effective at the bottom. This one didn’t.

I have noticed in the past few months that Valvoline has been updating a few times.
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#4703479 - 03/22/18 05:11 PM Re: Valvoline Modern Engine oil has been downgraded [Re: skyactiv]
wemay Offline


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PimTac, i belive the date is at the top left...
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#4703485 - 03/22/18 05:16 PM Re: Valvoline Modern Engine oil has been downgraded [Re: wemay]
PimTac Offline


Registered: 03/04/17
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Originally Posted By: wemay
PimTac, i belive the date is at the top left...



Yep I see that. On the op link you will also see the effective date and authors initials at the bottom.

This system Valvoline uses is pretty bad.


EDIT; I just noticed the current PDS for VAS is two pages. My fault. The effective date is Feb 20, this year.


Edited by PimTac (03/22/18 05:18 PM)
Edit Reason: Additional info
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#4703566 - 03/22/18 06:37 PM Re: Valvoline Modern Engine oil has been downgraded [Re: skyactiv]
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#4703666 - 03/22/18 08:19 PM Re: Valvoline Modern Engine oil has been downgraded [Re: skyactiv]
ozric Offline


Registered: 03/26/16
Posts: 44
Loc: USA
The only numbers I have seen for the Modern Engine oil are those at the link in the original post. What were the "better" numbers before this supposed change?

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#4703709 - 03/22/18 09:33 PM Re: Valvoline Modern Engine oil has been downgraded [Re: ozric]
Vuflanovsky Offline


Registered: 12/15/14
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Loc: California
Originally Posted By: ozric
The only numbers I have seen for the Modern Engine oil are those at the link in the original post. What were the "better" numbers before this supposed change?


Yeah, I was seeing the same thing. Is the OP confusing Advanced with Modern Engine?? I have no idea what the downgrade consists of if the spec sheets I've seen are the same ones.

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#4703725 - 03/22/18 09:49 PM Re: Valvoline Modern Engine oil has been downgraded [Re: PimTac]
1JZ_E46 Offline


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Originally Posted By: PimTac
How do you know this is due to cost cutting? The specs are still within the requirements for d1G2. While Noack is important it is only one aspect of the oil.


An oil as expensive as Modern Engine should do more than “meet d1g2.” It should have excellent specs across the board, including NOACK, which is very important for piston deposits and GDI valve deposits. Some extremely cheap oils out there meet d1g2.


Edited by 1JZ_E46 (03/22/18 09:50 PM)
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