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Tesla getting in to ride sharing #4702659
03/22/18 01:55 AM
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https://www.tesla.com/en_AU/autopilot

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Please note that Self-Driving functionality is dependent upon extensive software validation and regulatory approval, which may vary widely by jurisdiction. It is not possible to know exactly when each element of the functionality described above will be available, as this is highly dependent on local regulatory approval. Please note also that using a self-driving Tesla for car sharing and ride hailing for friends and family is fine, but doing so for revenue purposes will only be permissible on the Tesla Network, details of which will be released next year.

Re: Tesla getting in to ride sharing [Re: Shannow] #4702661
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Now they want to become the world's biggest taxi broker?


Plain, simple Garak.

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Re: Tesla getting in to ride sharing [Re: Shannow] #4702662
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You can only use the property that YOU bought from them to earn money if they get their cut by the looks of it.

Or does that pay the insurance for Tesla if someone gets killed by their autopilot ?

Re: Tesla getting in to ride sharing [Re: Shannow] #4702667
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Maybe they want to operate like Uber that is fly under the regulation and laws radar and compete with taxi services that have the expenses of compliance they bypass. Tesla has to keep coming up with new ventures to keep the investment money coming in because they're burning cash in staggering amounts.

Re: Tesla getting in to ride sharing [Re: OneEyeJack] #4702670
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The issue is, it doesn't always work like that. The ride sharing people think they're clever. At one time, taxis didn't have all the regulations, either. Criminal record checks, signage, liveries, posted rates, smoking laws, inspected meters, special license plate classes and drivers license classes, extra liability insurance, and vehicle inspections didn't all come out of the blue one day. Each one of those came about from bad experiences in those categories, which brought about regulation. If Uber and Lyft proponents think they're inventing unregulated taxis, they're dreaming.


Plain, simple Garak.

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Re: Tesla getting in to ride sharing [Re: Garak] #4702825
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Originally Posted By: Garak
The issue is, it doesn't always work like that. The ride sharing people think they're clever. At one time, taxis didn't have all the regulations, either. Criminal record checks, signage, liveries, posted rates, smoking laws, inspected meters, special license plate classes and drivers license classes, extra liability insurance, and vehicle inspections didn't all come out of the blue one day. Each one of those came about from bad experiences in those categories, which brought about regulation. If Uber and Lyft proponents think they're inventing unregulated taxis, they're dreaming.


+1 Couldn't have put it better!


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Re: Tesla getting in to ride sharing [Re: Garak] #4702832
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Originally Posted By: Garak
The issue is, it doesn't always work like that. The ride sharing people think they're clever. At one time, taxis didn't have all the regulations, either. Criminal record checks, signage, liveries, posted rates, smoking laws, inspected meters, special license plate classes and drivers license classes, extra liability insurance, and vehicle inspections didn't all come out of the blue one day. Each one of those came about from bad experiences in those categories, which brought about regulation. If Uber and Lyft proponents think they're inventing unregulated taxis, they're dreaming.

Garak,
based on a post from your past, can we add the mandatory phone dispatch lines availability and number?


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Re: Tesla getting in to ride sharing [Re: Shannow] #4702987
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If the idea came out of silicone valley you know it must be new and cutting edge.

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Re: Tesla getting in to ride sharing [Re: Shannow] #4703004
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Originally Posted By: Shannow
You can only use the property that YOU bought from them to earn money if they get their cut by the looks of it.

Or does that pay the insurance for Tesla if someone gets killed by their autopilot ?


Sounds like some sort of software user license... Like Matlab or even Office then. Out of the ordinary?

Id suspect that there would need to be some transfer of funds to assist in the forthcoming transfer of liability when some fly by night tries to do this to make money and the for-hire car kills someone. The more mileage/cars in play, the more their risk exposure.

Its not like user error if a person was actively driving the Tesla.

What am I missing?

Re: Tesla getting in to ride sharing [Re: JHZR2] #4703324
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Not sure whether Tesla owners are aware that they are buying an operating licence when they think that they are buying a car...I'm never going to find out for sure.

So GM, Ford, Audi, whoever can follow suit, as their engine management system, ABS and Stability Control logic are also presumably proprietary.

Re: Tesla getting in to ride sharing [Re: Shannow] #4703372
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How safe is it to sit behind the wheel and monitor your vehicle without actually driving it yourself? Could you get into a state where you're not paying attention and something happens that you would have avoided if you were stuck driving your own car?

Re: Tesla getting in to ride sharing [Re: OneEyeJack] #4703487
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Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack
How safe is it to sit behind the wheel and monitor your vehicle without actually driving it yourself? Could you get into a state where you're not paying attention and something happens that you would have avoided if you were stuck driving your own car?


Definitely...that's where the "driver is in control" malarkey should be knocked on the head.

There's that much knowledge in industry that the further you remove the operator from the action, the longer it takes for them to analyse the situation, and correctly respond to alarms.

To ignore (Intentionally IMO) the knowledge base is virtually criminal. "The driver is ultimately in Control" is the cop-out.

Re: Tesla getting in to ride sharing [Re: pandus13] #4703601
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Originally Posted By: pandus13
based on a post from your past, can we add the mandatory phone dispatch lines availability and number?

Yes, and a two way radio connection, too. At least taxis are doing some online things and apps now. In any case, Uber and Lyft and their ilk are going to find all about regulation, despite their best intentions or feeling they invented this. Heck, historically, there have been "part time" cabs, mostly older drivers who cut their hours, who would use the taxi as their personal vehicle, since they owned it, and work a couple to a few hours per day. Isn't that much the same?

sasilverbullet: The same thing is ongoing with the various house sharing outfits, too. They want the revenue, but don't want any hotel tax, or to collect sales tax, or to be inspected, or to have sprinklers, or insurance.... It's not flying in some jurisdictions here, either.


Plain, simple Garak.

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