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#4702565 - 03/21/18 10:08 PM Random SSD issues
Quattro Pete Offline


Registered: 10/30/02
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Loc: Great Lakes
This has happened twice now in the course of last few weeks: my Win7 laptop (Lenovo X230) reports a hard drive failure right after turning on and will not boot - as if it was not detecting the drive presence at all. But then I will shut it off and try again, and it'll boot fine.

The drive is Samsung 850 EVO, about 3 years old, I think.

I've ran the Lenovo drive test and it did not report any issues. Samsung Magician does not report anything suspect either.

Is it an issue with the SSD or with motherboard drive connector on my laptop? Not sure if there are any additional tests I can run...
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#4702585 - 03/21/18 10:29 PM Re: Random SSD issues [Re: Quattro Pete]
Nick R Offline


Registered: 07/14/09
Posts: 11193
Loc: Albany, NY
This is a pretty common issue on our older X230s at work... We haven't managed to find any fix for it, other than replacing them. Which is sad, since they are the next most solid model after the T430S... Don't get me started on the T440S, and T460Ss...
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#4702586 - 03/21/18 10:31 PM Re: Random SSD issues [Re: Quattro Pete]
newbe46 Offline


Registered: 01/19/17
Posts: 206
Loc: Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
This has happened twice now in the course of last few weeks: my Win7 laptop (Lenovo X230) reports a hard drive failure right after turning on and will not boot - as if it was not detecting the drive presence at all. But then I will shut it off and try again, and it'll boot fine.

The drive is Samsung 850 EVO, about 3 years old, I think.

I've ran the Lenovo drive test and it did not report any issues. Samsung Magician does not report anything suspect either.

Is it an issue with the SSD or with motherboard drive connector on my laptop? Not sure if there are any additional tests I can run...



Hard to say but I would find a replacement drive and start the migration process as soon as possible.

The cost of an SSD is cheap comparing to the cost of data recovery.
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#4702596 - 03/21/18 10:47 PM Re: Random SSD issues [Re: Quattro Pete]
Marco620 Offline


Registered: 02/25/14
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And this is why I still dont own a PC. Between the lingo and patience that little electronic notebook would be pigeon practice in the backyard during a skeet outing.
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#4702607 - 03/21/18 11:02 PM Re: Random SSD issues [Re: Quattro Pete]
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#4702753 - 03/22/18 07:20 AM Re: Random SSD issues [Re: Quattro Pete]
Quattro Pete Offline


Registered: 10/30/02
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Thanks, Danno. I already have the latest firmware on my SSD.
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#4702799 - 03/22/18 08:11 AM Re: Random SSD issues [Re: Quattro Pete]
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Registered: 05/12/15
Posts: 1977
Loc: America
Has it been dropped recently?

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#4702869 - 03/22/18 08:58 AM Re: Random SSD issues [Re: Quattro Pete]
NateDN10 Offline


Registered: 01/10/10
Posts: 1735
Loc: Rochester, NY
This would happen to me on a 2009-vintage Dell laptop (which, sadly, had a cup of water spilled on it and is now in laptop heaven) which had a magnetic drive. I always assumed it was a motherboard/connector issue, because aside from that warning message there was nothing to indicate the drive was at fault.
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#4702872 - 03/22/18 09:00 AM Re: Random SSD issues [Re: Alfred_B]
Quattro Pete Offline


Registered: 10/30/02
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Originally Posted By: Alfred_B
Has it been dropped recently?
No.
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#4702874 - 03/22/18 09:00 AM Re: Random SSD issues [Re: Marco620]
NateDN10 Offline


Registered: 01/10/10
Posts: 1735
Loc: Rochester, NY
Originally Posted By: Marco620
And this is why I still dont own a PC. Between the lingo and patience that little electronic notebook would be pigeon practice in the backyard during a skeet outing.

I had more hardware issues with the one Mac I've ever owned than any PC. It was a good thing I bought AppleCare, because Apple had to replace one hard drive and two optical drives on that piece, and the third optical drive doesn't work anymore either.
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#4702905 - 03/22/18 09:34 AM Re: Random SSD issues [Re: Quattro Pete]
28oz Offline


Registered: 04/20/17
Posts: 383
Loc: Utah, USA
I've had that happen occasionally with SSDs and HDDs over the years. Has always been a failing drive regardless of what the diagnostic software said.
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#4703000 - 03/22/18 10:35 AM Re: Random SSD issues [Re: Quattro Pete]
Subdued Offline


Registered: 10/06/13
Posts: 793
Loc: Youngstown, NY
I had to replace the motherboard on my ancient Compaq linux laptop for this very reason. $23 part and I was a laptop repair tech in a prior life.

This was about 4 years ago and I'm still using the laptop now, thanks to Lubuntu.

The IDE connector stopped working.

(yeah, IDE)
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#4708456 - 03/27/18 12:34 PM Re: Random SSD issues [Re: newbe46]
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Registered: 08/15/05
Posts: 2235
Loc: Lexington, KY
Originally Posted By: newbe46
Hard to say but I would find a replacement drive and start the migration process as soon as possible.

The cost of an SSD is cheap comparing to the cost of data recovery.

My opinion is the same. Although the 850 EVO was better than the troublesome 840 EVO, the EVO line is Samsung's low budget offering. And I find their endurance claims humorous.

SSDs offer performance we all love, but sadly I have found mechanical HDDs to be more reliable in long service despite the moving parts.
I will use a SSD but suggest considering them disposables.

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#4708502 - 03/27/18 01:17 PM Re: Random SSD issues [Re: Quattro Pete]
javacontour Offline


Registered: 06/26/03
Posts: 10317
Loc: Illinois
Tough call.

That's about a 5-6 year old laptop now. I faced the same issue with an older desktop I was trying to keep alive with various upgrades, RAM SSD, etc.

Finally started getting strange drive errors, about 6mo to a year after I added a PCIe display adapter as the on-board unit was going bad. So at least I had some prior warning that the MB was getting flaky.

Found another HP refurbished desktop from MicroCenter and used the SSD to clone the drive shipped with it. Still using it without issue 9 months later. Good confirmation that it was the MB, not the drive that was my issue.

If you had a way to test the drive in a known good machine or another drive in that laptop to see if the problem follows the drive or the on-board controller would be your best bet.

I think I'd be more suspicious of the older laptop than the relatively newer SSD. But really, either could be the culprit here. You need a means to isolate one from the other to test and see which is having issues to really know.
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#4708863 - 03/27/18 08:00 PM Re: Random SSD issues [Re: BearZDefect]
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Registered: 10/06/13
Posts: 793
Loc: Youngstown, NY
Originally Posted By: BearZDefect
Originally Posted By: newbe46
Hard to say but I would find a replacement drive and start the migration process as soon as possible.

The cost of an SSD is cheap comparing to the cost of data recovery.

My opinion is the same. Although the 850 EVO was better than the troublesome 840 EVO, the EVO line is Samsung's low budget offering. And I find their endurance claims humorous.

SSDs offer performance we all love, but sadly I have found mechanical HDDs to be more reliable in long service despite the moving parts.
I will use a SSD but suggest considering them disposables.

How many SSDs have you worn out?

How many SSDs has anyone here worn out?

I really don't think most home users are going to get anywhere near the life span of even the TLC drives before they're ready to replace them due to other factors, even in a single drive setup.
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