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Infiniti dealer trying to sell me synthetic oil #4700624
03/20/18 11:07 AM
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I just made an appointment to have my wife’s new Infiniti QX60 serviced. The service adviser says the car uses synthetic motor oil, which makes for a $95 oil change! However, my owner’s manual specifies 0W-20 SN, with no mention of synthetic. (I see where the SN classification applies to both conventional and synthetic oil.)

I sent an e-mail to Infinity Owner Services asking them if I can use conventional oil. Will be interesting to see what they say, if anything.

I'm familiar with the benefits of synthetic oil, but this is a 45K mile lease, and I'm sure the internal engine components would last for at least 200K miles with conventional oil. In fact, in 50+ years of car ownership, I have never experienced an oil related failure, except for maybe a couple noisy lifters in a 1960s Chevy V8.

Comments?

Re: Infiniti dealer trying to sell me synthetic oil [Re: mbres2000] #4700627
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Pretty much any 0w20 oil is going to be synthetic. I haven’t seen or heard of a conventional one.

I take it you are not interested in changing your own oil? You could do it for less than half the price easily.


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Re: Infiniti dealer trying to sell me synthetic oil [Re: mbres2000] #4700634
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if its a lease are you required to have it done at infiniti? then just say minimum required service.
Also can you still bargain for a prepaid plan that gets you to the end of lease. Then ypu dont need to worry about these things

That being said $95 in total for a service interval that has oil change for a luxury car at the dealer is a very reasonable price.

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Re: Infiniti dealer trying to sell me synthetic oil [Re: mbres2000] #4700636
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You are lucky you don't have my pickup with a 14 QT oil sump. Its more than $95 for a synthetic oil change.


2015 Subaru Forester 2.5 engine/CVT
2015 Ford F250 w/Powerstroke
2016 Subaru Crosstrek CVT (wife's)
Re: Infiniti dealer trying to sell me synthetic oil [Re: mbres2000] #4700638
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You can do you own oil change with full synthetic with a 99% plus filter for under $30. That's why they call them Stealerships. In the first place they can buy that stuff cheaper than you and I.


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Out: VML 5w-30 TG4967 OCI 5007 Miles
In: EDGE EP 5W-30 Bosch 3311 122537 7-18-18
2006 Duramax 74478
Out: T6 5W-40 M1-303
In: T6 5W-40 XG9100 73705 4-22-18
Re: Infiniti dealer trying to sell me synthetic oil [Re: mbres2000] #4700639
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0w20 is synthetic.
I only know of one, Pennzoil Gold, that is a syn blend 0w20.
Change it yourself. A 5 quart of 0w20 and filter is about 35.00 .


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Re: Infiniti dealer trying to sell me synthetic oil [Re: mbres2000] #4700642
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Originally Posted By: mbres2000


Comments?


It's not the sixties anymore.


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Re: Infiniti dealer trying to sell me synthetic oil [Re: PimTac] #4700649
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Originally Posted By: PimTac
Pretty much any 0w20 oil is going to be synthetic. I haven’t seen or heard of a conventional one.





There is semi-syn 0w20. Honda, AC Deloc, and others sell it like this...
https://smile.amazon.com/Honda-Genuine-Motor-Synthetic-08798-9036/dp/B015MN06ZI
http://www.jegs.com/i/Chevrolet-Performance/809/19259487/10002/-1

The difference between synthetic and regular oil is not as large as it once was.


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Re: Infiniti dealer trying to sell me synthetic oil [Re: mbres2000] #4700652
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I guess the cheaper option would just be to go to an independent shop. Call and ask how much for 0W20 oil change. My Dad got the $100 0W20 oil change spiel at the dealership as well, and the shop down the road will do it for $60. It's documented and that's all you need for the remote chance of an oil related warranty issue.
You could do some reading on it, as I think you've got a VQ35 in there which dates back to the early 2000's, so 5W30 would do fine once you are out of warranty.


07 Focus ZXW, 5spd manual, 218km M1 5W30
18 Outback 2.5 CVT 15km 0W20
Re: Infiniti dealer trying to sell me synthetic oil [Re: mbres2000] #4700658
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Thanks guys. I may go "old school" and do it myself. Walmart has 5-qt jugs of Mobil 1 0W-20 for $28. Wonder if I need to use a genuine Nissan/Infiniti filter?

Re: Infiniti dealer trying to sell me synthetic oil [Re: beanoil] #4700659
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Originally Posted By: beanoil
0w20 is synthetic.
I only know of one, Pennzoil Gold, that is a syn blend 0w20.
Change it yourself. A 5 quart of 0w20 and filter is about 35.00 .

Dealerships make money. End of story.

"SN" doesn't mean conventional oil. Its not in the SN spec.
Some GroupIII synthetic (not all) needs to be in there to meet the 0w cranking specs at the same time meeting NOACK and WPD specs on the hot end.

Another 0w20 with some GroupII conventional oil in it: Quaker State Syn Blend 0w20
Cheapest has to be the Harvest King 0w20 at your Rural King stores if you have them around you. Very cheap there.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4290443/Harvest_King_0w-20_from_Rural_
Otherwise, I think you can order Walmart.com's SuperTech 0w20 for kinda cheap.

Re: Infiniti dealer trying to sell me synthetic oil [Re: mbres2000] #4700693
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Just noticed the owner's manual has a 39-page Do-it-Yourself section, including oil & filter changes. So I am good to go from a warranty standpoint. I also found a "genuine" Nissan/Infiniti oil filter online for $4.85 shipped. Probably no better than a quality aftermarket filter, but if I ever have a engine problem, Infiniti won't be able to blame the filter.

For most of the past 15-20 years, I've had dealers do oil changes on our daily drivers, but the $95 [censored] charge is a good reason to get back in the habit of doing it myself.

Thanks again.

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Re: Infiniti dealer trying to sell me synthetic oil [Re: mbres2000] #4700695
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Check your manual. Infiniti is a recent adopter of 0w20 and some models still allow for 5w30 as substitute.


2011 Toyota Prius - 178k - Various 0W-20 (Brew)
2007 Honda Accord 2.4 - 133K - Mobil 1 EP HM 5W-30
Re: Infiniti dealer trying to sell me synthetic oil [Re: mbres2000] #4700708
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You bought a premium car, along with that comes premium prices plain and simple.


Mine: 2018 Chevy spark (White) 1.4 Non-turbo
Mobil 1 0w20 AFE
ACDelco UPF64R

Wife's: 2018 Chevy spark (Blue) 1.4 Non-turbo
Mobil 1 0w20 AFE
ACDelco UPF64R
Re: Infiniti dealer trying to sell me synthetic oil [Re: mbres2000] #4700736
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Originally Posted By: mbres2000
Just noticed the owner's manual has a 39-page Do-it-Yourself section, including oil & filter changes. So I am good to go from a warranty standpoint. I also found a "genuine" Nissan/Infiniti oil filter online for $4.85 shipped. Probably no better than a quality aftermarket filter, but if I ever have a engine problem, Infiniti won't be able to blame the filter.

For most of the past 15-20 years, I've had dealers do oil changes on our daily drivers, but the $95 [censored] charge is a good reason to get back in the habit of doing it myself.

Thanks again.



You will also have the satisfaction of knowing what is in your crankcase and that the job was done right.


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