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#4699823 - 03/19/18 03:04 PM This doesn't look good for self driving cars.
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#4699829 - 03/19/18 03:08 PM Re: This doesn't look good for self driving cars. [Re: rollinpete]
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People get killed everyday by human driven cars. Guess tht's so common that it's not news.
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#4699834 - 03/19/18 03:11 PM Re: This doesn't look good for self driving cars. [Re: Leo99]
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Originally Posted By: Leo99
People get killed everyday by human driven cars. Guess tht's so common that it's not news.


The big difference here is that Uber gets to be the target of a lawsuit rather than an individual human driver.

Sad news, my condolences to the lady's family and friends.
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#4699926 - 03/19/18 04:32 PM Re: This doesn't look good for self driving cars. [Re: rollinpete]
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The human backup did not have time to react, so it must have happened suddenly.

The lady did not cross at a cross-walk. Prossibly some zombie, face-deep in her phone.
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#4699939 - 03/19/18 04:49 PM Re: This doesn't look good for self driving cars. [Re: rollinpete]
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Just goes to show that programmers canNOT possibly prepare a self driving vehicle for every circumstance...I am against them.
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#4699960 - 03/19/18 05:15 PM Re: This doesn't look good for self driving cars. [Re: gathermewool]
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Originally Posted By: gathermewool
The human backup did not have time to react, so it must have happened suddenly.


No, as I keep saying, from working in an automated industry, the further that you remove the operator from the action, by taking direct control away from them, the longer they take to identify an issue is occurring, fully assess the situation, and then take corrective action...and then it's often the wrong action.

This is well known from every automated industry.

But the car people refuse to acknowledge what's been known for a half century, and come out with motherhood statements like "the driver is still the ultimate control".

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#4699971 - 03/19/18 05:24 PM Re: This doesn't look good for self driving cars. [Re: rollinpete]
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Never underestimate the ability of the general public to violate the laws of physics on a daily basis.

I get nervous enough being in a vehicle with someone else driving, I couldn't stand being in an automated vehicle.
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#4700064 - 03/19/18 07:10 PM Re: This doesn't look good for self driving cars. [Re: rollinpete]
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Do an internet search for "wikipedia yearly vehicle deaths" and "wikipedia yearly vehicle deaths united states"

In 2016 there were 37,461 vehicle-related deaths here in the United States, and every year there are approximately that many.

Someday autonomous vehicles will do away with the tens of thousands of motor vehicle-related deaths here in the US and I say it cant happen too soon.



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#4700071 - 03/19/18 07:14 PM Re: This doesn't look good for self driving cars. [Re: rollinpete]
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Would you rather have drunk, or drugged, or distracted drivers driving a human-driven vehicle, or have them riding in an autonomous vehicle?
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#4700075 - 03/19/18 07:18 PM Re: This doesn't look good for self driving cars. [Re: rollinpete]
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I'm surprised it wasn't going the wrong way on one of our freewaysgrin
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#4700083 - 03/19/18 07:21 PM Re: This doesn't look good for self driving cars. [Re: rollinpete]
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I'm waiting for a snowstorm where all the automated 18-wheelers call it quits and park like zombies on the shoulders... or in the travel lanes.

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#4700139 - 03/19/18 08:03 PM Re: This doesn't look good for self driving cars. [Re: Shannow]
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Originally Posted By: Shannow
Originally Posted By: gathermewool
The human backup did not have time to react, so it must have happened suddenly.


No, as I keep saying, from working in an automated industry, the further that you remove the operator from the action, by taking direct control away from them, the longer they take to identify an issue is occurring, fully assess the situation, and then take corrective action...and then it's often the wrong action.

This is well known from every automated industry.

But the car people refuse to acknowledge what's been known for a half century, and come out with motherhood statements like "the driver is still the ultimate control".


No, I'd say it depends - not 'no' and that's it.

I use Eyesight adaptive cruise control, but always keep my foot near the brake while driving and on the brake when there are other cars nearby. If someone wants to cut me off, my foot hitting the brake is delayed only as quick as my brain-to-leg signal path.

I'm sure there are others who cross their legs or sit Indian-style, or whatever. Was the guy in the automated car placing his attention elsewhere or was the event sudden? Has that been reported yet?
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#4700154 - 03/19/18 08:10 PM Re: This doesn't look good for self driving cars. [Re: rollinpete]
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BTW, if we want to compare statistics of the very small number of self-driving vehicles, to the much larger number of human-driven vehicles, we should look at the totals for the number of days that the self-driving vehicles have been in operation.
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#4700156 - 03/19/18 08:13 PM Re: This doesn't look good for self driving cars. [Re: bdcardinal]
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Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
Never underestimate the ability of the general public to violate the laws of physics on a daily basis.

I get nervous enough being in a vehicle with someone else driving, I couldn't stand being in an automated vehicle.


No kidding! That would make me want to walk!

I'm sure, as this is still very new technology, once bugs are worked out, things will improve greatly, but at the same time, the tech shouldn't be going around killing people before we get there!
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#4700220 - 03/19/18 09:22 PM Re: This doesn't look good for self driving cars. [Re: rollinpete]
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Originally Posted By: irv
Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
Never underestimate the ability of the general public to violate the laws of physics on a daily basis.

I get nervous enough being in a vehicle with someone else driving, I couldn't stand being in an automated vehicle.


No kidding! That would make me want to walk!

I'm sure, as this is still very new technology, once bugs are worked out, things will improve greatly, but at the same time, the tech shouldn't be going around killing people before we get there!


So, being killed by a human driver is an acceptable risk when you hit the road but being killed by an autonomous driver is worse somehow?

If human driven cars kill 100 people, on average, per day. Why is the threshold for autonomous vehicles zero per day? Wouldn't a 50% reduction in deaths if we switched to autonomous vehicles worthwhile? The cause of the crashes is still the same: people doing stupid unexpected things behind the wheel.
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