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#4698135 - 03/17/18 10:35 PM Mobil 1 UOAs showing more wear?
mbacfp Offline


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Have seen some claim Mobil 1 shows more relative wear metals in UOAs compared to others. Has anyone shown that to be true (maybe dnewton?) with any statistics from Blackstone? Just curious...topic has come up occasionally.
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#4698144 - 03/17/18 10:45 PM Re: Mobil 1 UOAs showing more wear? [Re: mbacfp]
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Registered: 01/01/18
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It does real well in Hondas, Toyotas, and Hyundais for some reason.

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#4698160 - 03/17/18 11:03 PM Re: Mobil 1 UOAs showing more wear? [Re: mbacfp]
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"Wear Metals" in a used oil analysis don't always mean the engine is wearing.
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#4698161 - 03/17/18 11:03 PM Re: Mobil 1 UOAs showing more wear? [Re: Linctex]
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Originally Posted By: Linctex
"Wear Metals" in a used oil analysis don't always mean the engine is "wearing".


https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/used-oil-analysis-how-to-decide-what-is-normal/
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#4698163 - 03/17/18 11:06 PM Re: Mobil 1 UOAs showing more wear? [Re: mbacfp]
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mbacfp, as much as I would like a chance to be able to say something against the Mobil 1 bandwagon, I'm afraid that in all likelihood the people who make these claims are making them on a single data point or ignoring other significant changes. If you have one or two data points, not much can truly be gained other than inferences, never absolute truth. For a statistically significant sample, you'd need at least 30 data points, and at Blackstone prices, that means at least $750 in analysis fees. I don't think I've seen anyone do that many UOAs on a single vehicle.

I've done the statistics on my 11 UOAs and 100k miles on a single vehicle, and they average out to within less than HALF of one PPM of iron over a thousand miles. That means the oil I chose, the weight I chose, the mileage the OCI went, the filter I used... all meant a maximum of 1 part per million per two thousand miles. Pick whatever oil makes your head happy and use it. It doesn't sound like it's with Mobil.

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#4698182 - 03/17/18 11:36 PM Re: Mobil 1 UOAs showing more wear? [Re: mbacfp]
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#4698183 - 03/17/18 11:37 PM Re: Mobil 1 UOAs showing more wear? [Re: mbacfp]
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Mobil wouldn't be FF if it actually wore engines with just one oci
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#4698277 - 03/18/18 05:46 AM Re: Mobil 1 UOAs showing more wear? [Re: mbacfp]
Bjornviken Offline


Registered: 12/06/17
Posts: 261
Loc: Finland
what viscosity and spec? Mobil 1 0w-40 fs have pretty good uoa compere to others 0w-40.
But i dont get it why 5w-30 does not have the acea a5 spec. Mobil 1 0w-30 Api sl has it in EU.

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#4698370 - 03/18/18 08:14 AM Re: Mobil 1 UOAs showing more wear? [Re: mbacfp]
fdcg27 Offline


Registered: 09/25/09
Posts: 15832
Loc: OH
This old chestnut returns.
There was a time in the distant past when there may have been some indication that M1 produced more iron debris in the small particle sizes that the UOAs we all use can identify as compared to other oils used in similar engines.
It would have been incorrect to infer that M1 produced more wear given the limitations of the basic UOAs quoted as sources as well as a less than rigorous approach in selecting sample UOAs as references.
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#4698435 - 03/18/18 09:38 AM Re: Mobil 1 UOAs showing more wear? [Re: mbacfp]
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I figured as much. I have picked up on this theme over the years with people eluding to more wear in UOAs. Was curious if there was a legitimate study or post showing this trend. I figured it was small sample size observations...more of a curiosity on my part. Thanks for the responses.
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#4698448 - 03/18/18 10:00 AM Re: Mobil 1 UOAs showing more wear? [Re: mbacfp]
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M1 for some reason tends to show more iron wear than other oils, it's also renown for making engines noisy.
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#4698500 - 03/18/18 10:40 AM Re: Mobil 1 UOAs showing more wear? [Re: FordCapriDriver]
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Originally Posted By: FordCapriDriver
M1 for some reason tends to show more iron wear than other oils, it's also renown for making engines noisy.


And your data?

Coffee

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#4698596 - 03/18/18 12:14 PM Re: Mobil 1 UOAs showing more wear? [Re: mbacfp]
KCJeep Offline


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You don't need any "data" to pull up enough comments and complaints regarding M1 and noise to give you an afternoon's worth of reading on this forum alone.

That said M1 AFE 0w30 is going in my Lincoln in 700 miles, and it will remain there for a full 10k whether it's noisy or not.
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#4698610 - 03/18/18 12:25 PM Re: Mobil 1 UOAs showing more wear? [Re: FordCapriDriver]
tig1 Offline


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Loc: Illinois
Originally Posted By: FordCapriDriver
M1 for some reason tends to show more iron wear than other oils, it's also renown for making engines noisy.


Add to your list.

1) Extremely clean engines.

2) Very long lasting engines.

3) Engines that show little wear even after hundreds of thousands of miles. Including timing chains and guides.

4) Engines, with all of the above performing at 10K and longer OCIs.


Edited by tig1 (03/18/18 12:25 PM)
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#4698661 - 03/18/18 01:14 PM Re: Mobil 1 UOAs showing more wear? [Re: mbacfp]
MolaKule Offline


Registered: 06/05/02
Posts: 19133
Loc: Iowegia - USA
Originally Posted By: mbacfp
Have seen some claim Mobil 1 shows more relative wear metals in UOAs compared to others. Has anyone shown that to be true (maybe dnewton?) with any statistics from Blackstone? Just curious...topic has come up occasionally.


I think making general statements are dangerous without proving any correlation and without providing any data from controlled experiments.

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